Its based off the Holden Morano (sp) but its not made by Holden. Has domestic motor, and most of the parts on the GTO is made in the states. Not in Australia. The Morano (sp) came out before the "new" GTO.

Its domestic reguardless if Holden is GM or not. Just because theres a "gto" version in australia, doesn't make it an import.

 

Correct^

although is it Moreno?

 

Monero or Monaro

 

How little you really do know......
The Crossfire is actually Mercedes SLk with different bodywork....but go ahead, call Mercedes a POS...

 

Try again kiddo!...evo is rated at 13.5's stock...SRT6 at 13.3...try again!!

 

.2 sec is nothing, the Evo would own any Chrysler POS, even if the Evo had a 14sec 1/4th mile it'd still beat an SRT6 just based on its handling and menuveribility(sp). And yes, Benz are POS's, they are luxerious but quality wise they're horrible, just like Dodge and Chrysler.

BTW, I'd also like to question where you got you information because Motor Trend says that Both the Evo and SRT6 share the same 1/4 times:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ossfire_srt_6/

At this point you false information about the SRT6 dosn't have any meaning whatsoever. Not only do they share the same quarter mile times,the Evo is lighter, handles better, accelerates better (see linked articles), AND is about $20k cheaper. You loose. Also please don't assume my age "old man"...

 

I will call mercedes a pos, and stop being a douche bag thinking you're superior because you're old.

Biggest complaint about MB's SLR..... cheap. The interior is all thin plastic which rattles around.....shows what GM brings to MB.

Look at reliability and quality ratings, MB's are steadily going downhill because of GM.

Don't be a retard.

 

ouch.

 

Not being a retard, i just do not worship at the altar of the Evo, that's all.

However, i HAVE driven both cars, Have either of you?
As a DD/fun car, the SRT is just a better bet, especially since they are SELLING for 30K...do some research, i have. I am in themarket for a car of this range., so i have driven both, and not just a 2 mile ride either. I also have driven the STi.
Would i buy an SRT6 for 45K...n way, but at 30K or less they are a great value.
As to reliability, Mitsu has always been spotty, and the EVO is no Toyota.
BTW, why is MB quality going donehill becasue of GM???
I don't claim to be superior, but i have owned over 80 different vehicles, and have driven many more than that, so i do have some experience with different cars. Nothng wrong with that, is there?
Now calm down guys, i didn't call anyone names (unless you consider "kiddo" to be name calling.) We can disagree without getting nasty and personal, right?

 

Interesting how you're in the market for a 30k car, meanwhile youhave a Stratus and a PT Cruiser?

80 different cars eh? riight.

 

Yep, I am. All my cars are paid for and i paid cash for my xB. I am getting rid of the PT and Stratus, since i don't need to have this many cars. I am in the market for a fun car, and also a used 4x4 for winter driving.
As to my previously owned vehicles, here is the link to a thread where i list them
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...560&highlight=
Your posts are full of misinformation. GM has nothing to do with MB. MB does not make an SLR, it is the SLK.
What i am trying to get across is this. I offereed the OP an alternative to the typical Mit-Subarau recommendations that everyone seems to give. I believe the Crossfire SRT6 to be a suerior all around car. Sure, the Mitsu will do some things better, but the SRT is a better car to live with on a daily basis. It s more comfortable, more refined, has many more standard features, but is still fast and handles well. At the 28-30K that thet are selling for, they are a great value.
The 2 of you call Chrysler cars a POS. How many have you owned? Why are they POS's? I bought my PT new in 00. I have owned it 5.5 years, and it has NEVER needed a repair, other than wear items(brake pads and tires). ZERO problems. Now, how is that a POS? It is comfortable, versatile, reliable and gets good mileage. My Stratus is the same way. It is a 200HP V6 in a 3000# car and gets 28mpg. It has never been to the shop for anything in 40K miles.
Open your minds guys, there are other alternatives out there! Like it or not, the EVO is a nice little economy car with a lot of power.Thats it. When you drive one for a while, that becomes evident. Not a bad car, but it doesnt "walk on water" either.
Oh, and BTW, the 1/4 mile ET's i mentioned are real world consistent times from actual owners racing actual cars on the strip here. I knwo them and have watched them race. Those are real world times, not magazine times.
I posted origianlly to offer something different to the OP looking for suggestions. I didn't do it to get into an E-argument, nor to be called a liar. I am not trying to pull the "i am superior because i am older" carp, but you really are acting a little immature with the name calling.

 

False information? OK, lets check this out.
Accordning to Edmunds.com
EVO:
weight: 3263#
HP: 276
Torque: 286 lb/ft
Roadholding: .92G(from a Car and driver road test)

SRT6
weight:3240#
HP: 330
Torque: 310lb/ft
Roadholding: .92G (froma car and driver road test)
Oops. looks like the "POS" spanks the challenger!
So Benzes are horrible quality wise? How many have you owned?
Look at the facts. The specs speak for themselves. This isn't "false information". It iis available on the net, go check for yourself. If you are relying on motor trend ofr your enthusiast info(remember, they chose the Renault alliance as their car of the year), then you are going to be mislead.

But i am not interested in an E argument. All i want is for you guys to start thinking outside the box a little bit. There are lots of great cars by non Japanese manufacturers. Don't pigeonhole yourselves and become "elitists"

 

MB doesn't make an SLR? You're an idiot. Stop trying to look smart.

Google Mercedez Benz SLR, and you'll find one.


edit: I'm tired of arguing with your stupid ___. Have fun with the PT Cruiser and Stratus!

 

The MB SLR McClaren has ZERO to do with this discussion, that's what i was trying to tell you. The Crossfire is an SLK, THAT is what i was saying. Plus, GM has nothing to do with MB, I have no idea why you said that.





Cool , the name calling was making you look bad.

And my Scirocco, and my Vintage SAAB, and of course, my 06 Scion xB 5 speed!! Thanks, i will.

 

all i know is that im 17 now and have the tc and like it but if i had a choice i would go for the evo 8...sick! ur one lucky ****

 

for srt4 fans
if you want speed only....then srt4, what also tags along is poor reliability, resale value, horrible crash test rating, and most importantly style

dont understand how anyone likes how it looks, and the caliber isn't much of an improvement

out of the list i would go with the rex, very well balanced (hear problems about their trannies though)

 

umm.. i'm gonna have to somewhat disagree with you.
you really cant just state 'your' experience on that make/model and expect that no one else has had any problems. yeah, there are SOME fords that will run for an extended amount of time problem free, but as stated above "start thinking outside the box" there is a reason why that jap. vehicles are more popular. aren't you curious to why in America that your average consumer would choose a jap. car, even if 2 similiar cars with similar specs, and the domestic was a grand or 2 lower. most would perfer the import over domestic.

i see more HONDA cars than all domestics combined where i live (truck/suv exempted) sorry....babbling on

 

I hear what you are saying, and to an extent, i agree withyou. However, what i don't like are blanket statements sych as "All (fill in the blanks) are a POS! That's just not true. I have owned a number of Hondas, and i actually had a lot of problems with a few of them. I had an Accord blow it's tranny at 48K. I had an Accord that went through front pads every 15K miles. I had a Prelude that spent a total of 25 days in the shop it's first year. Now, do i say all Hondas are POS's? Of course not since some are very reliable. But not all. Same for other makes, including DC, GM, and even Ford. The absolute worst cari have ever owned for reliability was a Ford probe. Well, guess what a Ford Probe is(was). A Mazda MX6.
You are 100% rigt on the money about resale value. (as staed in your previous post about the SRT4)For most doemstics, it is miserable. So, unless the domestic is deeply discounted, or unless yu are going to keep it for many years, buying a new one can be a poor"investment". OTOH, a one or two year old domestic can be a heck of a value, if you shop properly. I have had steller reliabilty from many domestics i have owned, but i also have had steller reliability form imports i have owned. But when it comes to cars, i like to keep an open mind, and i will buy most any brand if i like the car. I don't restrict myself to one brand or one country of origin. That is what i was trying to say when i said "keep an open mind"
But you do raise some great points! Oh, and BTW, like you, i als have heard some rumblings about the rex tranny....

 

All you are proving by showing other sources is that the times for both cars are from 0-.2secs different, depending on the driver. Personally I take the times of proffesional driver's that work for a magazine as large as Motor Trend, then some of your friends on the track... How many Chrysler's have I owned? 1 and a lot of people that I know have had many Chryslers...add em all up=problems galore. as for MB, I have not owned any nor will I ever, I prefer Lexus by far. My friend bought a brand new E series about 2 years ago, after 20k miles he had some serious problems with it and MB ended up replacing it for him with the same model...which BTW he had even bigger problems with. Call it bad luck, but he's not the only one I know... I had a lot of other stuff to say but it all got tumbled around in my mind as I was typing this.

And BTW, You have driven an Evo 8 or 9 i presume, the car I recommended was the Evo X, which has not been rleased yet...so you cannot compare it to an SRT6...And I assure you, the Evo X will blow a Chrysler COMPLETELY out of the water in terms of performance...

Oh, and as for a daily driver, how do you figure the SRT6 would be better? IMO a sedan with AWD and technology everywhere to keep the car as stable as possible would make a bettter DD.

 

Well, i assumed the OP was looking for a car that he coul dbuy now, so i didn't really pay attention to anyting that will not be available for a year.
Motor trend is nototious for having wild variences in ET's. Check it out for yourself. I prefer to rely on real world expereinces, of people who i know who know how to ET a car. .
But anyway, here are some exerpts from car and driver evaluation of the EVO.

"The first complaints were aimed at the quick (2.1 turns lock-to-lock) steering that was praised for its feel and accuracy but just as often derided for a level of nervousness usually reserved for amphetamine aficionados. Not helping matters was an unyielding suspension that didn't know how to relax. As one editor put it, "The Evo feels as if the axles were welded to the body." We checked. They're not."

"With such a harsh suspension, many began to feel as if they'd joined a cult of flagellants" (doesn't sound like a fun DD to me)

"Another problem is that the Evo makes anyone who drives it look like the sort who is first in line at the mall for those hot Vin Diesel autograph sessions, guys whose bedroom walls are pasted with The Fast and the Furious posters. The exterior design of this boy racer even embarrassed one of our 20-year-old staffers." (ouch)

"Mitsubishi's service schedule calls for a change of the synthetic oil and a tire rotation every 5000 miles. Although the price varied, these usually cost about $100 ($25 for the rotation and $75 for the oil change). In addition to the oil change, the Evo requires several inspections at 15,000 miles. That stop totaled $200. At 30,000 miles, just about every fluid used in the car had to be replaced, setting us back $564. The brake pads had been eaten up by 30,000 miles, and replacing them cost $907." (WOW!!!! double ouch!!)

"At the 25,000-mile service, the masterminds at Moran Mitsubishi in Southfield, Michigan, were unable to reproduce the grinding and sent us on our—crunch!—way. The logbook began to fill with entries complaining about how tired and worn out the Evo felt. This crunching continued for another 15,000 miles, until the end of the test, when the second- and fifth-gear synchros (shifting into second had become difficult) were finally replaced under warranty. While the transmission was being rebuilt, we opted to have the clutch replaced because it had slipped away into the ether. Although a new clutch usually runs about $1500 for parts and labor, in this case we only had to pay $741 for parts. And by the end of its time here, the Evo's front brake rotors were warped and were also replaced under warranty. See what we mean about tired? The total cost for the 40K service and repairs set us back $829. Word got around that the service manager traded in his bass boat for a new yacht. You'd think he'd invite us to party on it. He didn't."

Here is what some of the editors had to say about the EVO

JOHN PHILLIPS
This car works swell if you spend 50-some days per year on a racetrack. The problem is you'll sometimes have to use it to commute, a job for which the Evo is as appropriately suited as, say, a Lotus Elise.

LARRY WEBSTER
A fun car that gets old after an hour or so of real-world driving.

AARON ROBINSON
My wife says it's too bouncy and has asked me not to bring it home anymore.

Standing 1/4-mile 13.6 sec @ 101 mph
"Zero to 60 mph 5.0 sec"

Here are the performance #'s about the SRT6 from C/D also

"With 330 horsepower underfoot and thick rubber to spread it with, the Crossfire racks up admirable numbers in testing: 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, stops from 70 mph in 160 feet, and 0.92 g on a skidpad."
Standing 1/4 mile 13.3 sec @ 105 mph


As to why an SRT is a better DD? Just read the reviews. The Crossfire has many more creature comforts, IE Heated leather, Killer stereo, Nav, Tire pressure monitoring system, climate control, ETC ETC. Cn an EVO "outrally" an crossfire? Of course it can, but n the daily cut and trust of the nterstate and rush hour traffic, the SRT just makes more sense, unless you like to have your car beat you up. I guess i am just gettng soft in my old age....

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