350Z Topic!
08-04-2006, 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
A stock 350Z typically puts down around 230-240 WHP. However no N/A mods to much of anything on the 350Z. I've seen cars with intake, headers, true dual exhaust, pullies, test pipes, and a plenum spacer only put down 260 WHP. With cams MAYBE 275. Now factor in the weight difference. A Z weighs 3250 without the driver. BTW all those N/A mods would cost you in excess of $2000
That's not entirely accurate...
http://www.jtuned.com/content/templa...d=336&zoneid=2
Engine mods: (if we pick out the parts that make power)
ARC Intake $200
Crawford Headers$1000
350 Evolution Throttle Body$600
Denso Iridium One Step Colder
JIC Full Titanium Single Exhaust$850
Helix Test Pipes$200
JIC Y-Pipe$450
UR Pulley Set$396
Cyberspeed Sun Automobile Hyper Ground Unit
Stillen Engine Dampener
Odyssey 680 Battery
ARC Oil Catch Tank
Samco Sport Radiator Hoses
Koyo Radiator
ARC Oil Pan
Nismo Power Steering
Nismo Low Temp Thermostat
Motordyne Engineering 5/16" Plenum Spacer w/ ISO Thermal Upgrade$265
Motordyne Engineering Coolant Control Valve
Technosquare ECU$500
AEM Wideband System
JWT Clutch and Flywheel
Nismo LSD
350 Evolution Final Gear
Nismo Differential Cover
296.1whp/272wtq...N/A
I will agree though, that it's very expensive getting to those #'s on a 350Z, but then again, so is everything else associated with a car that cost twice as much as a tC does. The turbo kits are fairly priced the same though, and you will net....(what the heck am I telling you for...LOL. You already know what they put down on 8/9 PSI). But for Ben's sake, they do dyno around 230-240whp stock. On 8lbs of boost you can expect 400-440whp. But a tC on 230-240whp would win hands down against a stock Z as it's lighter than the Z. So, again, HP is only a fraction of the equation. And for every what is it...100lbs of weight you shed off, you only accuire like a tenth of a sec off your 1/4 mile time (could be off on the #'s, but I know it's some ridiculous equation like that).
I wasn't saying that they did, just saying that they make more than what you estimated. It wouldn't just be $1k more just for boost. You would NEED to build the motor with at least some piston and rods so as not to blow up the VQ (as we know it's not that tough when it comes to F/I).
Turbonetics Single Turbo Kit
Apexi WS2 exhaust
Motordyne plenum spacer
as my power mods. I recently added a ACT clutch and JWT flywheel too. In addition I have HKS RS coilovers, Nismo LSD, Hotchkis Sways, SPC camber arms and toe bolts, Cusco A arms, and about 50 other parts on the car. I drive my car EVERY DAY. To and from work. My last dyno was 380 RWHO and 371 ft/lb of Tq at 8 PSI on 91 pump. I have not had ONE issue. So no you don't need to build the motor.
Notice you have only 380whp/371tq, that's not enough to break the VQ anyway. Over on 350Zmotoring where the averaged boosted Z is in the 410+ and 400 ft/lbs. When you reach that much tQ on the VQ, that's when it starts to get scary. You have a Single T kit. Most of the ones on the forum I'm on are TT's @ 400+ whp. Some are running on Stock still, but there have been to many mishaps that would cause me NOT to want to TT my Z before getting rods and pistons. Don't think I'm saying the VQ is weak (I have a Z too remember). Just saying that if you are looking for 400+whp and are going TT instead of ST, then I would suggest getting Rods and Pistons first.
08-23-2006, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
LOL....Just give me the Engine to drop in my Z. VQ32DETT in a Z = Murder, Drugs, and Alchahol... 
I don't like the new body of the GTR over the older Square (Manly, I'll eat your young) body. The Z was an "out of reach" car in my eyes as well, but look I have one now. It just needs more power. Intend on drifting it. So, when the GTR does hit, I will keep an ear to see who is contemplating a motor swap and see what troubles they have in doing so. I won't have to do ANYTHING motor wise besides turn up the boost. Don't need anymore than 600ponies screaming from it (yes I know, don't need that much for drifting, but it's for bragging rights too).
I don't like the new body of the GTR over the older Square (Manly, I'll eat your young) body. The Z was an "out of reach" car in my eyes as well, but look I have one now. It just needs more power. Intend on drifting it. So, when the GTR does hit, I will keep an ear to see who is contemplating a motor swap and see what troubles they have in doing so. I won't have to do ANYTHING motor wise besides turn up the boost. Don't need anymore than 600ponies screaming from it (yes I know, don't need that much for drifting, but it's for bragging rights too).
I'd guess the crate motor itself will easily cost in excess of $9000. Add in the fabrication of a swap and supporting mods (different mounts, getting the tranny to bolt up, wide enough wheels to put down the power, clutch, fuel pump, etc.) and you'd be way better off rebuilding your Z motor. Sourcing a used engine won't be easy or cheap either. Due in large part to the price and rarity of the GT-R, there won't be many scrapped cars even for years to come (you can't really run down to your local junkyard and grab a Viper engine easily, and that's with almost 15 model years worth of Vipers and SRT-10 Rams on the road today). You'd have no trouble building a beast of a VQ35 for less money.
Would it be awesome to have a GT-R motor? Yeah. Would it be worth the money? Probably not.
08-23-2006, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Skunk
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
LOL....Just give me the Engine to drop in my Z. VQ32DETT in a Z = Murder, Drugs, and Alchahol...
I don't like the new body of the GTR over the older Square (Manly, I'll eat your young) body. The Z was an "out of reach" car in my eyes as well, but look I have one now. It just needs more power. Intend on drifting it. So, when the GTR does hit, I will keep an ear to see who is contemplating a motor swap and see what troubles they have in doing so. I won't have to do ANYTHING motor wise besides turn up the boost. Don't need anymore than 600ponies screaming from it (yes I know, don't need that much for drifting, but it's for bragging rights too).
I don't like the new body of the GTR over the older Square (Manly, I'll eat your young) body. The Z was an "out of reach" car in my eyes as well, but look I have one now. It just needs more power. Intend on drifting it. So, when the GTR does hit, I will keep an ear to see who is contemplating a motor swap and see what troubles they have in doing so. I won't have to do ANYTHING motor wise besides turn up the boost. Don't need anymore than 600ponies screaming from it (yes I know, don't need that much for drifting, but it's for bragging rights too).
I'd guess the crate motor itself will easily cost in excess of $9000. Add in the fabrication of a swap and supporting mods (different mounts, getting the tranny to bolt up, wide enough wheels to put down the power, clutch, fuel pump, etc.) and you'd be way better off rebuilding your Z motor. Sourcing a used engine won't be easy or cheap either. Due in large part to the price and rarity of the GT-R, there won't be many scrapped cars even for years to come (you can't really run down to your local junkyard and grab a Viper engine easily, and that's with almost 15 model years worth of Vipers and SRT-10 Rams on the road today). You'd have no trouble building a beast of a VQ35 for less money.
Would it be awesome to have a GT-R motor? Yeah. Would it be worth the money? Probably not.
I sorta disagree with you. TTin'g the VQ in the Z already, is going to cost you larger wheels and a clutch.
There would be no need to build the GT-R motor when it is already pushing enough power to do what I want. No need for a clutch if I get the tranny.
I agree on the rarity of the engine, motor mounts (if I need those, could be a direct drop in like most Honda motors are for Civics, it still going to be a VQ you know).
08-23-2006, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
I sorta disagree with you. TTin'g the VQ in the Z already, is going to cost you larger wheels and a clutch.
There would be no need to build the GT-R motor when it is already pushing enough power to do what I want. No need for a clutch if I get the tranny.
I agree on the rarity of the engine, motor mounts (if I need those, could be a direct drop in like most Honda motors are for Civics, it still going to be a VQ you know).
There would be no need to build the GT-R motor when it is already pushing enough power to do what I want. No need for a clutch if I get the tranny.
I agree on the rarity of the engine, motor mounts (if I need those, could be a direct drop in like most Honda motors are for Civics, it still going to be a VQ you know).
I'd be willing to go on a limb and say that anyone who can afford to buy a new 350Z (especially a higher end model like a Grand Touring or something), and actually has enough disposable cash to do a $20k swap would really only be a hand's length away from being able to actually afford a GT-R.
08-23-2006, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Skunk
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
I sorta disagree with you. TTin'g the VQ in the Z already, is going to cost you larger wheels and a clutch.
There would be no need to build the GT-R motor when it is already pushing enough power to do what I want. No need for a clutch if I get the tranny.
I agree on the rarity of the engine, motor mounts (if I need those, could be a direct drop in like most Honda motors are for Civics, it still going to be a VQ you know).
There would be no need to build the GT-R motor when it is already pushing enough power to do what I want. No need for a clutch if I get the tranny.
I agree on the rarity of the engine, motor mounts (if I need those, could be a direct drop in like most Honda motors are for Civics, it still going to be a VQ you know).
I'd be willing to go on a limb and say that anyone who can afford to buy a new 350Z (especially a higher end model like a Grand Touring or something), and actually has enough disposable cash to do a $20k swap would really only be a hand's length away from being able to actually afford a GT-R.
I don't like the new GT-R's body lines. I prefer the older model. But for what I want to do (drifting), I would have to convert the AWD system to RWD, and I don't want to do that either. Maybe I might change my mind when it comes out, but at this point, I want the GT-R's engine in my 350Z = Sick as Sick!
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