Skunk

Except that the TRD supercharger apparently isn't enough to beat the Si, so you need to look at other aftermarket brands, that the dealership won't install.

Actually the tC they tested costed slightly more than the Si. The whole reason they tested the s/c tC vs the Si in that article was because they thought it actually would outperform the Si. And no, the comparison was between a s/c tC and an Si (because they are comparable in price), not a tC with every mod available on it.

P.S. The Si is no more a "modded EX" than a Mustang GT is a "modded Mustang". Carmakers make different trim levels to save money, and offer more options to the customer. And what the hell type of reasoning is that anyway? A stock car with a dealer-installed aftermarket part is stocker than a completely stock car?

killerxromances

Exactly, to my understanding it only had the s/c and one or two other things. Not everything under the sun.

The Si "modded ex" theory is nice and all, but they are pretty much two completely different cars sharing same exterior features. Sure, both are Civics but just because the Si is the performance "version" of the regular civics, does not mean its not stock. As i have said plenty of times, trim levels don't justify "stock or not". If the tC came stock with a s/c (from the factory), then i would consider it also stock. But it doesn't, 2az doesn't come boosted and probably never will. I can see why magizines would do price vs. price with overall comparison, but please leave performance an equal playing field. To me, a boosted 2az vs stock k20z is stupid. Even if the k20z out performed it. While its the same class, Si is on the other side of the spectrum.

Only reason why Si vs. tC is so popular here, in my opinion, tC owners can't face defeat from a civic (si) so everyone always throws in the s/c to the mix, or all trd stuff trying to use everything they can to beat a stock Si. And if they manage to do so, they claim the Si isn't all that its cracked up to be. No offense to tC owners, great car. But two completely different cars as far as being built goes.

R2D2

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...091&highlight=

killerxromances

Point being? That artical shows that with their testing, Si beat the tC even with boost. While times were pretty much the same for both cars, that shows that even with mild boost you won't beat a Si. Again, according to their testing.

Which honestly, isn't too hard to believe. So again, whats your point?

R2D2

Until u've proven Si can beat a TRD tC, ur all talk...

killerxromances

The artical on the link you provided..The artical that the thread is based off of. Proves that the Si beats a trd s/c'd tC.

However, i've been saying this for a while now. You don't compare a modified tC to a stock Si when you talk performance. Si will beat a full trd tC with some new springs, shocks, sways. Its been proven by one particular magizine that the trd boosted tC ties a stock Si. Comparing price as you guys seem to love to do, the s/cer with tC alone cost more or the exact same as a stock Si. With that said, using your price method, Si is still better for the money when it comes to performance.

Just accept the fact for a performance compact, Si wins hands down and move on. tC is a nice car, but doesn't compare to the Si on performance levels. End of story.

R2D2

Again I say ~ Until u've proven Si can beat a TRD tC , ur all talk...
Lopsided arguments = nothing

killerxromances

Works both ways. Until you've proven a trd tC can beat a Si, you are all talk.

R2D2

Pointlessness talking to you. ur all talk...

TimmyT

fog lights. lip kit, 18 inch wheels & tires. is about 3 grand more of "extras". Put on the full lip kit and 18 inch wheel package on the SI and that alone will get yah up there.

06_t_cizzle

well that's nice, but as you know this is a SCION site and i don't care abou the new si and how much it is...

Janizary

...and the name of this subforum is (insert drumroll here)

All Other Vehicles

Skunk

We already did. The s/c tC ties the Civic in the quarter mile, and the Civic has a higher trap speed (whcih means it's actually pulling away), and a higher top speed. The magazine is a third-party, independant of this argument, so that's not lopsided proof. There's no use denying it.

R2D2

Skunk

Alright then add up the s/c and *all* the TRD parts for the tC and see which costs less. Then throw the price difference into mods for the Si and compare.

jbae1221

technically all the magazines you read ar lop sided one way or another... reason being is that they all recieve money from the manufacturer... even consumer reports is lop sided... just my 2 cents...
on the subject of tc vs si... i would buy a tc hands down because i think it looks better.. but like i said before the si will outperform the tc.. imo... but who knows because the article also states that they couldn't get a good start without spinning the wheels...

We already did. The s/c tC ties the Civic in the quarter mile, and the Civic has a higher trap speed (whcih means it's actually pulling away), and a higher top speed. The magazine is a third-party, independant of this argument, so that's not lopsided proof. There's no use denying it.[/quote]

trungchau

my cousin owns the new civic s1, i myself drive the sc tc
driven both and i still like the sc tc
i feel as though the sc tc will take hands down anyday
plus that sixth gear on the si isnt that great
im sure the govener on the si is a bit higher tho
ive redlined both cars but i havent gonvenered on the si

trungchau

civic si**
sorry
and wen i said redline
i mean on the sc tc
as well as the civic si, but not in 6th gear....

i must say though
comparing only these two cars
it comes down to driver as well
long run of course the si will take
but give it the 1/4 mi run and we will see driver is everything

ReverseGTR

Honda, trying compete with Scion? Who was the first to come out with a small hatch and is seen grotesquly tuned by every wannabe street racer and low rider? They are just trying to get back to their roots boi!

RSXaco

yet another scion/toyota vs. honda/acura thread

there's a lot more cars out there to compare your tCs to

sooo many fanbios here