MoScion

it's all good!

fishbone

Hyundai was/still is where Japanese cars were some time ago. With a mentality like yours it's no wonder the notions of "Jap crap" and "rice burners" are still around. Not to mention the idea that Japan can't build luxury cars.

greybox

Hyundai's warranty does transfer-it just drops to 5year 50,000 mile for the second or beyond owner. Know this one first hand.

Between the Hyundai and a 3 series BMW-Hyundai with tires and wheels, springs (maybe even coil-overs), chip, CAi and you still have money left over as well as car that lasts longer and has less little prblems. I'd take the Hyundai.

Remember a girl you pick up because you have a BMW-hey you're soon investing in keeping her up too.

teamben158

True. If the only girls you can pick up are the ones that are interested in you because you have a BMW, save yourself a lot of money in the long run and pick up an "escort."

CarbonXe

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You clearly haven't driven a Hyundai, then a BMW then back to a Hyundai. A BMW can't be described as to why it's such an amazing vehicle, you can only experience it. There is a reason why numerically the G35 was the better car all around, but the 3-series was still the better choice.

fishbone

^ I was about to say the same thing. I find it laughable to compare the two, a premium/luxury sedan with ... well ... an econobox. Interior built quality and materials, ride stance, etc. You can throw as much money at a Hyundai as a BMW would cost, short of ripping the interior apart altogether and doing some serious work on the unibody, it will still not be comparable. Also, according to the last few JD Power studies I looked at, BMW had less problems per 100 vehicles than Hyundai. The comparison is flawed from the get-go, two different vehicles, two different classes. About the only thing they have in common is the fact that they are cars and have 4 wheels. If you want to compare cars in the same class, you'd have to look at an Infiniti G, Lexus IS, Acura, etc and compare them with a BMW. Hyundai is in the same class with Nissan, Honda, etc.

CarbonXe

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It's not even that. I've studied the engineering of the cars, and they are just ridiculous. A Hyundai is nothing more than an 80's sedan wrapped up in nice sheet metal. There is nothing new in those vehicles. They're still using the same simple suspension components, same ordinary transmissions...All they're doing it highlighting the aspects that the general audience will find appealing...aka giving it a 300HP engine. There is a reason why BMW technicians have to go through strenuous training and be constantly sent for more training and Hyundai mechanics are just hired off the streets, regardless of training and/or experience. And yes, I know that the people working on the vehicles at the dealership have nothing to do with building the vehicle, but it's the companies ethics that show off. Go into a BMW shop and you can eat off the floor..

fishbone

^ I agree and I knew it, I didn't raise the mechanics argument because I was affraid it was going to be a lost cause. Interior built quality, on the other hand, is something you actually see and touch ;) Touching and feeling the car, the bimmer gives off the distinct impression that every single screw has a purpose. I like them, alas they are expensive and not as dependable as their luxury Japanese counterparts. Not to drag this too off-topic, but a 335xi is teh goodness. Not to mention perhaps an X6 twin-turbodiesel engine. If that doesn't get you wet, I don't know what will.

teamben158

I really don't think it's far to compare the 2 vehicles. They have 2 completely different business models that aren't even in the same category.

Hyundai seems to want to build reliable cars that are cost effective. Why reinvent the wheel? It works for them pretty well considering the growth they've gone through this decade.

BMW on the other hand is known as a luxury car manufacturer, so they have to have the "fancy" stuff in their cars. They have to be new and innovative to compete with Lexus and Mercedes, because otherwise they won't sell cars.

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by you've studied the "engineering of cars?"

fishbone

He probably meant just that. I know I also briefly studied it while working in auto claims for a major ins co. It was part of our training. We basically took stuff apart and compared design decisions and differences.

Murbyrne

congrats. They kind of have a reputation as being unreliable, but I'm sure they are just fine. People are too quick to judge, even if they have not driven or experienced them. i hope you don't have any troubles with yours.

CarbonXe

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Take a look at Honda. They're doing exactly what you're saying, but they are taking it to the next level with engineering. They're creating a 'better' economy car. When you look deep into those cars, the engineering is near impeccable. There is a reason why they use 0w20 oil. That's why I'm saying that Hyundai is making an 80's car wrapped up in shiny sheet metal. That is all it is, they are doing A LOT better than they were, but technologically speaking, they are still about 10 years behind.

When I was in school, our main focus for the core program, was Chevy/Dodge/Ford...The school was very biased. However a few teachers went out of their way, one even risked losing her job because she taught us Rotaries, BMW's, Mercedes..things not in the curriculum. I guess I didn't use the right selection of words by saying 'studied the engineering', it was more like I was taught the theory behind how BMW's work...I don't know, I can never word things right, I went to an Automotive school, not Yale .

fishbone

Like I said, Hyundai is in the place of Japanese manufacturers from a few years back. And what I mean by that is, they need to generate serious revenue through sales before they can even afford to think to risk innovating or going on their own off the beaten path. Look at all the older Lexuses and Infinities. They are exact copies of BMW and Benz. Hyundai is JUST beginning now to make strides and go off on their own.

kphan24

looks like a nice car but doesnt the genesis run on a v8?? with gas prices as they are i dont think ill ever make such a switch. but if u can afford it i wish the best luck on your purchase.

CarbonXe

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That's why I said they're about 10 years behind . This new Genesis is going to essentially be what the Accord was when it was re-modeled in 98.

fishbone

You can make a lot of arguments as far as that design goes. I see some Infiniti G in there too

CarbonXe

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Knowing Hyundai, they probably 5 cars and just combined them into one. Just look at the Sonata...Accord much?

MoScion

Thank you for proving my point, the 10 year/100k mile warranty does not transfer. People out there are going to think it does without knowing any better.

good point!

BMW and Mercedes techs must be certified to work on each model car. So not any tech can work on what comes in and they get paid well, some pulling over 100k.

xD2B

I agree Hyundai is building nice cars now. Problem is that buying a NEW Hyundai is still a very dicey move financially speaking. The depreciation on them is still ridiculous. That Genesis may be very nice and have a nice reassuring 20 year limited powertrain warranty or whatever but it's going to be worth about $12k after a year.

You are better off buying a low mileage 1-2 year old Hyundai if you are really that jazzed about them. Let someone else eat some of that massive depreciation.

You aren't really saving any money getting a new Hyundai. Check Edmunds true cost to own. The resale value kills you on Korean crap boxes still. It is going to take 10 more years of them building good cars for that to change.

firesquare

id buy a genesis. when i saw that super bowl commercial i about broke my jaw on my knee. i couldn't believe it was a Hyundai.

they come a long way. and the spectra sedan looks sportier then a corolla (anything looks sportier then a corolla)

the coupe looks like a ____ed off last gen Tiburon and G35 got together to make the best looking coupe to come state side in a while.