Yea I wouldn't be so bold as to say "every single Scion ever made can do it" as you haven't gone long enough for us to expect problems. Of course I haven't done much research.

You've got the hypothesis, the research. Now the test.

"every single Scion ever made can do it"

I think next year is a good time to say that again...

 

Yes i shouldn't be so bold the check engine light came on last night.

The borderline between running too lean and right on is some where between E72 and E83 of sorts when you do the math. Damn close but no cigar.

As you are expecting this is my retraction, i just got to caught up with being ____ed off about the whole oil/ethanol industries war.

So yes when need that damn computer after all.

 

Bummer. I didn't expect anything but I was still hoping.

 

[size=18]YOU NEED A CONVERSION KIT!!
http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Detail?no=108

This one should make your car act the same as a FFV. It determines between blends. Not shure if it voids the warrantee but this company said that they have only had 1 return so far over the Large amount they sold.

The use of corn to make ethanol is bad like raising the price of corn. But there are more economic ways to make ethanol like using sugar cane. You can get a government permit to make ethanol (AS A FUEL NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION) and this is for anyone.

If you do the research on the internet you can find out all about this.

This is the firs site I have seen that sells them for scions.
I talked to these people and they have been very helpful. Yes I actually spoke to a human! I highly recamend talking to them if you are intrested in this. They say at most you can lose 15%MPG but that seems like a overstatement to cover them selfs.
anyway check it out and tell me what you think.
Ben

 

its been enough time spent away from this topic. i'm looking for updates.


has anyone gotten the conversion kit yet?

has anyone used octane booster with the e85?

 

I dunno but im really thinking of trying e85, a bunch of other turbo cars i know (srt4, hondas, dsm's, etc) have had GREAT luck with e85, more boost, more timing, quicker turbo spool, only downside is you need more of it so the injectors will hit max duty cycle quick, with 550's id prob e fine of course the car would also have to be tuned to run on e85 as approx 33% more fuel will be needed as stoich for e85 is like 9.8:1 although as far as i can see, as long as i setup the fuel management to account for this, and have injectors that can handle it, i should be in good shape

 

Watching.

 

Just an FYI, E85 means 85% Ethanol. As i was told e85 will rin in any fuel injected car. Only thing is that it will throw a O2 code, reason is, is that the Ethanol when burnt will send extra oxygen molecule threw the exhaust. Causing this. The other issue is if u dont have steal or metal gas lines it WILL break down the plastic lines in time, so as i was told per the E85 rep yes u may, but if u dont have metal lines switch back and forth. And if the check engine light comes on, it is due to the exhaust burn mix. Not harmful, but to clear the code go back to norm gas for a few tanks and it will solve the issue. This is food for thought, take it at ur ouw risk, but i have been running it in my xB for 6 yrs and no problems as long as i follow what i explained

 

 

EDIT: Oh look only 6 posts since 2006!? lol.. yep a troll..

I know I shouldn't feed a troll.. but I have to post this here for the others who don't know the science and I don't want to see other Scion owners believing this lie, quoted above!

wow.. just wow.. You think that Toyota would've told you that you could use E85 fuel if they designed it to. If E85 was approved by Toyota then why is it that they joined the group who was against E15!? Duh.. But THEY DID NOT! I'm writing this for all the others who read this and think they can use E85 in their Scion..

You can get lucky over time, but it WILL eat through your fuel system! So many lies online. Anyone who doesn't believe me, go read up on Ethanol, it is corrosive. Especially E85! That means its 85% ethanol!

If someone doesn't want to believe me and believe this previous poster, posting this junk.. Go ahead, but don't be surprised when the seals in your fuel pump and the other fuel lines corrode very quickly. Think of the seals in the fuel injectors made out of rubber that is not E85 compatible.

Better fuel economy? LOL.. Ethanol has a lower energy output than gasoline and the ONLY way it can give better fuel economy is if the fuel maps in the ECU are re-tuned. Stock, it will get worse.. so tired of the lies on forums lately, it's getting epidemic!

Conclusion.. don't listen to the troll and use E85 in your Scion.. the troll will be laughing at you while you rebuild your entire fuel system! Not to mention E85 also can cause wear inside the engine for one not designed for it. You can use E10 according to Toyota.

 

 

Just found this thread while going through other forums. I can't help but notice that this poster never followed up like he said he would. I'm expecting that perhaps he was proven to be wrong?

FWIW, adding E85 will NOT give you improved performance, but it WILL reduce your fuel economy, and it PROBABLY will cause some sort of damage to your fuel system somewhere down the road. Also, your car MIGHT not run at all on E85, or just run poorly. Depends on how much risk it's worth to you.

As to the 'improvement' that higher octane might give you: it all depends on how the ECU has 'mapped' the computer. If it covers a greater range of knock vs. timing adjustments, it MIGHT give you 'better power', but my experience is that it does not. The ECU is mapping is constrained by fuel economy and emissions standards. I found out years ago that the Toyota V6 engine in the Camry was exactly the same as the one in the Lexus ES300, but the Lexus made 20 hp more while requiring premium. I wondered if my old Camry could make 20 hp more just by using premium, but it turned out that the ECU's were different. On the Lexus, using regular didn't reduce the power, it just made it run poorly. So, just buying higher octane does nothing for a modern car.

 

I’ve had mine for a year and have only used E85. I see no difference in driving performance, or engine performance. It gets looked at monthly because this is an experiment. However, I do get less fuel mileage. It seems to just drain right out and do not drive very far to work. I’m switching over to regular today and am going to test that one in comparison.

 

So for those wondering it's okay to run E85 but i would highly recommend you do this if its on the stock fuel system setup like mine is. Don't fill it on E: I would recommend at the minimum having the low fuel light turn on then filling it up not all the way but like 5-7 gallons of E85 and topping it off with the regular gas you would usually get. If your wondering what will happen if you go from empty to full with just E85 it will take a bit for all the fuel of the regular gas to be used up then it will struggle, then stall, then you'll loose power but having regular gas topped off will be mixed in and help it along. I recommend at the minimum 1 gallon of Reg gas.

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