GRRR ALTERNATOR BELT BUSTED!! WTF HOW AND WHY DID IT HAPPEN
#21
Originally Posted by mach5
i dont' understand how everybody on this site builds 600hp cars and have been working on cars for 15+ years blah blah blah and their daddy was a mechanic and touched them at night , etc etc
its always the same story and its getting old
and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training
you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on it
its always the same story and its getting old
and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training
you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on it
#22
Originally Posted by mach5
i dont' understand how everybody on this site builds 600hp cars and have been working on cars for 15+ years blah blah blah and their daddy was a mechanic and touched them at night , etc etc
its always the same story and its getting old
and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training
you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on it
its always the same story and its getting old
and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training
you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on it
Who said anything about using the old crap?? I am very well schooled on computer diagnosis as well as computer engineering . So if you are trying to compare brain pans, don't bother. How much do you know about ODBII? How many cars have you hooked to a scan tool and diagnosed? Me? More than I can count. And so you know, just swapping out what the scan tool says is a sign of a very poor tech. The scan tool tells you what the computer "THINKS" is wrong. In other words what things look out of range. It tells you nothing about what to replace. Unless you just swap parts (which many dealerships are notorius for) then it still takes experience and troubleshooting skills to properly repair the vehicle. And as far as my father (the one with 35 years experience) is concerned, he is in no way stuck in the old ways or however you phrased it. He gets a majority of his business from the 4 dealerships near him who can not properly use the new equipment to diagnose (not part swap) the problem. I don't know who you think you are "welcoming to 2005" cause you sound like you have never had your hands beneath the hood or dash of a vehicle in your life. Your words show that very clearly.
But back to the original topic, which your argument apparently has nothing to do with, we were not talking about computer problems. And oh, to the other comment... new cars absolutely do have an idler or tensioner. I have not taken the belt off of the tC yet, but 99% of all cars have some sort of spring loaded idler pulley which keeps the belt tensioned. Its a simple little concept called constant tension which anyone knowledgeable of vehicles should know. And idler is a "pulley" which does nothing but give the belt something to ride upon, and usually is the one under spring pressure that tensions the belt. Without this, we are back to the old days of having to tighten the belt using one of the devices such as the alternator. On newer cars which use a spring loaded idler, you simply use a tool to pull back on this piece, and whalla, the belt comes off... when you replace, the tensioner keeps the belt tight. And the leading cause of fast wearing belts is that something is out of allignment. It doesn't take much to figure this out. You guys have made it obvious in your arguments that you know little or nothing about any of this, so why argue??
Your arguments are directed in all the wrong places, which is a sign of someone spouting off just to try to ____ off people. If you have a legitimate argument, then make it, if not then keep your uneducated opinions to yourself. The original reply I made was to try to help, it had nothing to do with either of you.
#23
Originally Posted by Scott17
Originally Posted by mach5
i dont' understand how everybody on this site builds 600hp cars and have been working on cars for 15+ years blah blah blah and their daddy was a mechanic and touched them at night , etc etc
its always the same story and its getting old
and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training
you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on it
its always the same story and its getting old
and a mechanic is outdated, if you can't use a computer, you are uselsess you will get burned trying to diagnose a new car, i've seen it at my dealer with mechanics that refuse to learn the new way and/or go on training
you stick to your mechanics putting your nuts on cars will not tell you which cylinder is misfiring, so lets move past 1963 and i would like to welcome you to 2005
and i'm not upset, i like coming to this site and making fun of the idiots on it
#24
OK, let me explain. I thought we were talking about an Xb for some reason(which has NO idlers or tensioner)so I was mistaken. Now, as far as the TC motor goes, yes it has a hydraulic tensioner on a ribbed belt. As far as anything being out of alignment, not likely at all. This ain't pappys old ford(or NEW Ford) and there is really no brackets that could possibly bend or move. The few cases of misalignment I have ever encountered were invariably from the balancer butted against the crank key instead of on the key and the balancer was too far out. Never broke a belt though. The Tc engine has a reluctor wheel for the crank senser sandwiched between the oil pump sprocket and the balancer and if the balancer was not seated the reluctor wheel would move forward and cause misfire and a check engine light. My question to you is: If the tech looked and the pulleys were all in perfect alignment, what caused the belt to break? In reality, any answer you come up with would be pulled out of your ___ so why offer up such speculation? "I don't know" IS an answer and sometimes it is the ONLY answer that is correct. Screwing the service writer over (those surveys are how his job performance is rated) because nobody tried to be Miss Cleo is BS. Hell, aliens might have been beaming microwaves that focused and concentrated on her belt to cause an early demise. How would that kind of BS help anyone out? As an experienced, rational, educated person, surely you know the importance of attitude in most situations.
#25
Originally Posted by Scott17
OK, let me explain. I thought we were talking about an Xb for some reason(which has NO idlers or tensioner)so I was mistaken. Now, as far as the TC motor goes, yes it has a hydraulic tensioner on a ribbed belt. As far as anything being out of alignment, not likely at all. This ain't pappys old ford(or NEW Ford) and there is really no brackets that could possibly bend or move. The few cases of misalignment I have ever encountered were invariably from the balancer butted against the crank key instead of on the key and the balancer was too far out. Never broke a belt though. The Tc engine has a reluctor wheel for the crank senser sandwiched between the oil pump sprocket and the balancer and if the balancer was not seated the reluctor wheel would move forward and cause misfire and a check engine light. My question to you is: If the tech looked and the pulleys were all in perfect alignment, what caused the belt to break? In reality, any answer you come up with would be pulled out of your ___ so why offer up such speculation? "I don't know" IS an answer and sometimes it is the ONLY answer that is correct. Screwing the service writer over (those surveys are how his job performance is rated) because nobody tried to be Miss Cleo is BS. Hell, aliens might have been beaming microwaves that focused and concentrated on her belt to cause an early demise. How would that kind of BS help anyone out? As an experienced, rational, educated person, surely you know the importance of attitude in most situations.
And yes, I don't know is a valid answer, but I usually follow it up by explaining what I checked to give the customer peice of mind that I did not just simply replace parts without checking into everything. And if he did check it all out, and explained that, then great. If not, then he could have been a little more professional and given a little more info than "I don't know".
Again, you resort to childish little comments in some sort of ignorant attack at me. Grow up. You will need to to ever make it in your career or life. There is no need to attack someone simply because they were trying to help someone else. She asked a question and I tried to be friendly and help. For some reason you took to the defensive and decided to get in an uproar. I partially blame myself for defending back against your childish attack and prolonging it. But it is hard not to when someone begins insulting your intelligence without having a clue what you know or even what you are talking about. And as far as attacking my intelligence or education, you have a long way to go, so don't even start.
#26
Hey, I wasn't attacking you childishly or any other way for that matter. If you are truly that thin-skinned there is a new forum for ___ guys and sensitive fellows that might be more to your liking. But really, no attack from me. I know you didn't say to have a bad attitude, I was merely stressing the importance for the original poster to have a GOOD attitude. Now for the attack:
Why do I have such a long way to go?Do you know me or know my education level? I dont want to hold up the mirror to show you a hipocrite, but you're making it so easy! If you are truly interested, PM me and I will provide you a copy of my transcripts and resume. As for "ever making it in my career or life" , I feel that I already have. Sure I'm a wise-___, but I really wasn't gunning for you. I never thought you were stupid either. You share good info quite often and everyone appreciates this. Act like ya got a pair and you'll be fine! (I still love you)
But it is hard not to when someone begins insulting your intelligence without having a clue what you know or even what you are talking about. And as far as attacking my intelligence or education, you have a long way to go, so don't even start.
#27
Originally Posted by Scott17
Hey, I wasn't attacking you childishly or any other way for that matter. If you are truly that thin-skinned there is a new forum for ___ guys and sensitive fellows that might be more to your liking. But really, no attack from me. I know you didn't say to have a bad attitude, I was merely stressing the importance for the original poster to have a GOOD attitude. Now for the attack:
Why do I have such a long way to go?Do you know me or know my education level? I dont want to hold up the mirror to show you a hipocrite, but you're making it so easy! If you are truly interested, PM me and I will provide you a copy of my transcripts and resume. As for "ever making it in my career or life" , I feel that I already have. Sure I'm a wise-___, but I really wasn't gunning for you. I never thought you were stupid either. You share good info quite often and everyone appreciates this. Act like ya got a pair and you'll be fine! (I still love you)
But it is hard not to when someone begins insulting your intelligence without having a clue what you know or even what you are talking about. And as far as attacking my intelligence or education, you have a long way to go, so don't even start.
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gee i didnt think my post was gonna bring in some posters that felt they needed a topic to come and vent all their built up childhood frustration... i appreciate the people that were tryin to help me out in understanding how this might've happened to my car.. i wasnt expecting anyone to be "psychic" but i was expecting a "scion certified" knowledgable suggestion on how it might've happened, not "oh i dont know but hey fill out this survey and give me and excellent score!!". That is what i was bothered by... so please forgive me for coming on here and asking for some input on this and making it seem like i was "_____ing" that my alternator belt broke on my brand new tC. But i would like to thank engifineer
for KINDLY answering my questions and trying to help me out with my dilemma... also thanks to the other posters that werent on attack mode... for the others, please take out your frustration on the people that made u this way instead of hiding behind a screen name and talking your crap to people that u would never have the ***** to ever confront in real life. GROW UP AND GET A DAMN LIFE!
for KINDLY answering my questions and trying to help me out with my dilemma... also thanks to the other posters that werent on attack mode... for the others, please take out your frustration on the people that made u this way instead of hiding behind a screen name and talking your crap to people that u would never have the ***** to ever confront in real life. GROW UP AND GET A DAMN LIFE!
#30
Originally Posted by ScionTcGirl562
gee i didnt think my post was gonna bring in some posters that felt they needed a topic to come and vent all their built up childhood frustration... i appreciate the people that were tryin to help me out in understanding how this might've happened to my car.. i wasnt expecting anyone to be "psychic" but i was expecting a "scion certified" knowledgable suggestion on how it might've happened, not "oh i dont know but hey fill out this survey and give me and excellent score!!". That is what i was bothered by... so please forgive me for coming on here and asking for some input on this and making it seem like i was "_____ing" that my alternator belt broke on my brand new tC. But i would like to thank engifineer
for KINDLY answering my questions and trying to help me out with my dilemma... also thanks to the other posters that werent on attack mode... for the others, please take out your frustration on the people that made u this way instead of hiding behind a screen name and talking your crap to people that u would never have the ***** to ever confront in real life. GROW UP AND GET A DAMN LIFE!
for KINDLY answering my questions and trying to help me out with my dilemma... also thanks to the other posters that werent on attack mode... for the others, please take out your frustration on the people that made u this way instead of hiding behind a screen name and talking your crap to people that u would never have the ***** to ever confront in real life. GROW UP AND GET A DAMN LIFE!
#33
for the others, please take out your frustration on the people that made u this way instead of hiding behind a screen name and talking your crap to people that u would never have the ***** to ever confront in real life.
WTF LOL SO JUST CUZ U COMPLIMENT MY STARS TATTOO'D ON MY EARS AND MY GRAPHICS I'M SUPPOSE TO GIVE U AN "EXCELLENT" RATING???! HOW ABOUT ANSWER MY QUESTION OR AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO GIVE ME SOME REASONS ON HOW IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED... I JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE "R U SERIOUS"..
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