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I don't doubt that whatever Dave did worked for him, but as far as a geberal statement, for everyone, drugs, not including medication, are bad. Our society would be better without drugs. Unfortunately, that will never happen. Prohibition proved that. So I (even being sXe) believe that certain drugs should be legal for in-home use, but that the penalties for using them and drive should be swift and severe. In other words, do what you want in your own home, or someone elses, but don't drive till you're sober.
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Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
It sounds like a cult? Cause we decided not to drink or do drugs? Ok, that's you opinion. Except that the only things you really have to do to be straight edge are no alcohol, smoking, or drugs<--recreationally, medicine is ok, and the other thing is to claim it, by saying that you're straight edge.
You don't have to give your $$ away, You don't have to stop hanging out with ppl that drink and do drugs, You don't have to carve an "X" in anyones back....
If you have anymore questions, or comments just ask.
You don't have to give your $$ away, You don't have to stop hanging out with ppl that drink and do drugs, You don't have to carve an "X" in anyones back....
If you have anymore questions, or comments just ask.
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Originally Posted by midgethearsexb
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
It sounds like a cult? Cause we decided not to drink or do drugs? Ok, that's you opinion. Except that the only things you really have to do to be straight edge are no alcohol, smoking, or drugs<--recreationally, medicine is ok, and the other thing is to claim it, by saying that you're straight edge.
You don't have to give your $$ away, You don't have to stop hanging out with ppl that drink and do drugs, You don't have to carve an "X" in anyones back....
If you have anymore questions, or comments just ask.
You don't have to give your $$ away, You don't have to stop hanging out with ppl that drink and do drugs, You don't have to carve an "X" in anyones back....
If you have anymore questions, or comments just ask.
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Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
.... So I (even being sXe) believe that certain drugs should be legal for in-home use, but that the penalties for using them and drive should be swift and severe. In other words, do what you want in your own home, or someone elses, but don't drive till you're sober.
I can see a lot of people who feel like I do
I can see a lot of people who feel like I don't
I go on step lightly even when I'm heavy
High jump the slump open up fot eh Revy Horton Heat
Sweet what am I displayin' forgot what I was saying
I know I must be laying a pipe you got a gripe
With the way I get high
Graffix bong sing along with a cry of a
Mandatory sentence for a crime with no victim
When everyone knows jail terms should be picked in
Order of the pain that they cause
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Until you violate the rights of another
Respect the space of your sister and your brother
The war on drugs may be well intentioned
But it falls f***ing flat when you stop and mention
The overcrowded prisons where a rapists gets paroled
To make room for a dude who has sold
A pound of weed to me that's a crime
Here's to good people doin time y'all
I can see a lot of people who feel like I don't
I go on step lightly even when I'm heavy
High jump the slump open up fot eh Revy Horton Heat
Sweet what am I displayin' forgot what I was saying
I know I must be laying a pipe you got a gripe
With the way I get high
Graffix bong sing along with a cry of a
Mandatory sentence for a crime with no victim
When everyone knows jail terms should be picked in
Order of the pain that they cause
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
Until you violate the rights of another
Respect the space of your sister and your brother
The war on drugs may be well intentioned
But it falls f***ing flat when you stop and mention
The overcrowded prisons where a rapists gets paroled
To make room for a dude who has sold
A pound of weed to me that's a crime
Here's to good people doin time y'all
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I don't think that violent criminals should be released so a dude with a gram can be locked up. I'm saying that holding won't be illegal, only that driving (ie putting other ppl in danger) would be very illegal.
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Mormons were straight edge before straight edge was cool. But that doesn't mean you have to be a Mormon to be straight edge.
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Uhm, negative.
...point being NOTHING good comes out of drugs.
Uhm, negative.
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
Mormons were straight edge before straight edge was cool. But that doesn't mean you have to be a Mormon to be straight edge.
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Uhm, negative.
...point being NOTHING good comes out of drugs.
Uhm, negative.
But Mormons aren't all sXe, because you have to choose to be Straight Edge on top of any other desicion you've made, or that has been made for you.
If you think nothing good came out of drugs, do me a favor, go home take all your albums, tapes, cds, and burn'em. Cause the artists that made it, Real fukcin hig on drugs!
-Bill Hicks
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I've never said that nothing good comes from drugs,
...point being NOTHING good comes out of drugs.
Ok, we live in a society where drugs are illegal with 24 hour cash machines. Now I ask you, has anything positive ever come from 3am cash withdrawls?
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^^^And 24hr AutoZone, Now who in the fck is up working on their car after midnight, needing new parts that late??? Tweaker! My dad rebuilt the carb on an old VW Bug one night al spun as hell....Only a tweeker, or a guy doing (very) last min prep for a car show, would be up that late needing parts for there car. The car show guy would prolly have all the parts just need the time.
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Why do you straight edgers think medication drugs are ok, but recreational ones aren't? MDMA was a prescription only drug, lsd was used in intensive therapy. At no point did these doctors using/prescribing them say "they don't work better than anything else". No it's just people started using them recreationally and our christian government felt that morally wrong, and decided to stop it.
Anti-depressants i think do more harm than other drugs, because now a millions of the people out there are living life as a drone, and they aren't even getting high for it.
1 question for you sXe'rs
Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?
Don't get dodge it, just answer somethig to the effect of "because my pastor said so" or something. But try and make it logical.
It's natural, there are many animals in nature that inebriate themselves, because it's enjoyable.
the whole sXe movement was started by underage kids, who instead of drinking and partying like most every other teenager, they decided they'd say "we're above all that anyway".
If someone told me, hey you can have the best sex in your life if you take this relatively harmless drug(lsd) with your wife/girlfriend, why wouldn't I want to try it at least once? Why wouldn't you sXe'rs? Because you think you know better without trying first? Because George Bush and our government know what's best for you?
If you guys have religious convictions like mormons just say so. (who are some real sXe'rs...no drink, no drugs, no chocolate, no caffeine)
But are there atheist sXe'rs that you guys actually know(not heard about or read about)? If so, are they really into lucid dreaming and astral projection?
Anti-depressants i think do more harm than other drugs, because now a millions of the people out there are living life as a drone, and they aren't even getting high for it.
1 question for you sXe'rs
Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?
Don't get dodge it, just answer somethig to the effect of "because my pastor said so" or something. But try and make it logical.
It's natural, there are many animals in nature that inebriate themselves, because it's enjoyable.
the whole sXe movement was started by underage kids, who instead of drinking and partying like most every other teenager, they decided they'd say "we're above all that anyway".
If someone told me, hey you can have the best sex in your life if you take this relatively harmless drug(lsd) with your wife/girlfriend, why wouldn't I want to try it at least once? Why wouldn't you sXe'rs? Because you think you know better without trying first? Because George Bush and our government know what's best for you?
If you guys have religious convictions like mormons just say so. (who are some real sXe'rs...no drink, no drugs, no chocolate, no caffeine)
But are there atheist sXe'rs that you guys actually know(not heard about or read about)? If so, are they really into lucid dreaming and astral projection?
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But are there atheist sXe'rs that you guys actually know(not heard about or read about)?
I first heard of sXe back in 1994 when we hired a few friends that just moved into Austin from Dallas. They were into the punk scene, music, and sXe. Only one of the 3 was a church type (although not a very good one), the other 2 +1 (later a 4th friend moved down) were all atheists. BTW, one of the guys was a tall lanky goofy looking fella that could straight up rock the bass. This guy was un-flipplin-believable. If he was in your band, you would feature the bass, yes, he is that good.
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So you know an atheist, that is sXe, that is fine dying not having tried everything and living life to the fullest?
Are you sure he's no agnostic? or just not religious? Weird if he is, I'd love to talk with them to understand.
It's weird how you guys listen to punk music, which is (or apparently was) all based upon rebellion, not conforming to the rest of society and free thinking. But I guess there's christian punk music too. I am in love with music, but for me there's been like 4 good punk bands(sex pistols, misfits, ramones, noFx) and each one of them would think sXe'rs are the opposite of what they were about. They are the quintessential punk, are they not?
Are you sure he's no agnostic? or just not religious? Weird if he is, I'd love to talk with them to understand.
It's weird how you guys listen to punk music, which is (or apparently was) all based upon rebellion, not conforming to the rest of society and free thinking. But I guess there's christian punk music too. I am in love with music, but for me there's been like 4 good punk bands(sex pistols, misfits, ramones, noFx) and each one of them would think sXe'rs are the opposite of what they were about. They are the quintessential punk, are they not?
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Clarifications:
- I am not into punk, they were.
- I said they were into punk, not christian punk. NOFX was their favorite band. Can't recall their other fav, but if I saw the name, I'd recognize it.
- One was flat out atheist, one was flat out christian, the other two were just in the middle.
- btw, the one that was flat out christian, banged the flat out atheist's g/f one weekend while he was in Dallas visiting his parents. That sort of broke up the group, and I haven't been in contact in over 10 years. Who knows, maybe they're all peddling kidding **** and cotton candy by now, but doubt it.
- I am not into punk, they were.
- I said they were into punk, not christian punk. NOFX was their favorite band. Can't recall their other fav, but if I saw the name, I'd recognize it.
- One was flat out atheist, one was flat out christian, the other two were just in the middle.
- btw, the one that was flat out christian, banged the flat out atheist's g/f one weekend while he was in Dallas visiting his parents. That sort of broke up the group, and I haven't been in contact in over 10 years. Who knows, maybe they're all peddling kidding **** and cotton candy by now, but doubt it.
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Read bold in quote, I have too many problems with this to quote everything.
Originally Posted by seattledave
Why do you straight edgers think medication drugs are ok, but recreational ones aren't? MDMA was a prescription only drug, lsd was used in intensive therapy. At no point did these doctors using/prescribing them say "they don't work better than anything else". No it's just people started using them recreationally and our christian government felt that morally wrong, and decided to stop it. So, Anti-depressants are the only medication, huh? What about antibiotics? and other life saving "wonder" drugs? I myself have to take, on average, about $4000 in drugs every month, to survive, I'm sick, I have a cronic lung problem (not weed )
Anti-depressants i think do more harm than other drugs, because now a millions of the people out there are living life as a drone, and they aren't even getting high for it.
I couldn't agree more, I stopped taking mine because it wasn't helping at all, and I feel better w/o them.
1 question for you sXe'rs
Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?
Don't get dodge it, just answer somethig to the effect of "because my pastor said so" or something. But try and make it logical.
FUKC YOU! you're calling us narrowminded?? You think that because Right-wing A-holes like the president are against drugs, and so are sXe'ers that we believe all the same things? I choose not to drugs because I don't want to be a slave to anything, and I've seen many lives and families ruined by drugs and alcohol. I myself am a (non-practicing) alcoholic <---that is why I don't drink.
It's natural, there are many animals in nature that inebriate themselves, because it's enjoyable.
the whole sXe movement was started by underage kids, who instead of drinking and partying like most every other teenager, they decided they'd say "we're above all that anyway".
If someone told me, hey you can have the best sex in your life if you take this relatively harmless drug(lsd) with your wife/girlfriend, why wouldn't I want to try it at least once? Why wouldn't you sXe'rs? Because you think you know better without trying first? Because George Bush and our government know what's best for you?
Most sXe'ers that I know, used to be/are recovering, addicts myself included. And I don't need drugs to have life-changing sex. George Bush is a MORON!
If you guys have religious convictions like mormons just say so. (who are some real sXe'rs...no drink, no drugs, no chocolate, no caffeine)No, they aren't, Straight Edge is. a. CHOICE. I've already said this a few times in this thread. You MUST choose to be Straight Edge if you happen to be Mormon, Buddist, Muslim, Christian, Agnostic, Athiest, or w/e it doesn't matter. The only requirements for being "Edge" are not doing any drugs recreationally, and that you claim it by saying that you are Straight Edge.
But are there atheist sXe'rs that you guys actually know(not heard about or read about)? If so, are they really into lucid dreaming and astral projection?
Anti-depressants i think do more harm than other drugs, because now a millions of the people out there are living life as a drone, and they aren't even getting high for it.
I couldn't agree more, I stopped taking mine because it wasn't helping at all, and I feel better w/o them.
1 question for you sXe'rs
Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?
Don't get dodge it, just answer somethig to the effect of "because my pastor said so" or something. But try and make it logical.
FUKC YOU! you're calling us narrowminded?? You think that because Right-wing A-holes like the president are against drugs, and so are sXe'ers that we believe all the same things? I choose not to drugs because I don't want to be a slave to anything, and I've seen many lives and families ruined by drugs and alcohol. I myself am a (non-practicing) alcoholic <---that is why I don't drink.
It's natural, there are many animals in nature that inebriate themselves, because it's enjoyable.
the whole sXe movement was started by underage kids, who instead of drinking and partying like most every other teenager, they decided they'd say "we're above all that anyway".
If someone told me, hey you can have the best sex in your life if you take this relatively harmless drug(lsd) with your wife/girlfriend, why wouldn't I want to try it at least once? Why wouldn't you sXe'rs? Because you think you know better without trying first? Because George Bush and our government know what's best for you?
Most sXe'ers that I know, used to be/are recovering, addicts myself included. And I don't need drugs to have life-changing sex. George Bush is a MORON!
If you guys have religious convictions like mormons just say so. (who are some real sXe'rs...no drink, no drugs, no chocolate, no caffeine)No, they aren't, Straight Edge is. a. CHOICE. I've already said this a few times in this thread. You MUST choose to be Straight Edge if you happen to be Mormon, Buddist, Muslim, Christian, Agnostic, Athiest, or w/e it doesn't matter. The only requirements for being "Edge" are not doing any drugs recreationally, and that you claim it by saying that you are Straight Edge.
But are there atheist sXe'rs that you guys actually know(not heard about or read about)? If so, are they really into lucid dreaming and astral projection?
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Same as my last post.
Originally Posted by seattledave
So you know an atheist, that is sXe, that is fine dying not having tried everything and living life to the fullest? How can you live life to the fullest if you don't even know what is real and what isn't? Or if you get so drunk/high that you can't remember what happend the night before, I've had too many mornings like that.
Are you sure he's no agnostic? or just not religious? Weird if he is, I'd love to talk with them to understand. Why is that weird?
It's weird how you guys listen to punk music, which is (or apparently was) all based upon rebellion, not conforming to the rest of society and free thinking. But I guess there's christian punk music too. I am in love with music, but for me there's been like 4 good punk bands(sex pistols, misfits, ramones, noFx) and each one of them would think sXe'rs are the opposite of what they were about. How can you know, How can you say what they think? They are the quintessential punk, are they not?
Are you sure he's no agnostic? or just not religious? Weird if he is, I'd love to talk with them to understand. Why is that weird?
It's weird how you guys listen to punk music, which is (or apparently was) all based upon rebellion, not conforming to the rest of society and free thinking. But I guess there's christian punk music too. I am in love with music, but for me there's been like 4 good punk bands(sex pistols, misfits, ramones, noFx) and each one of them would think sXe'rs are the opposite of what they were about. How can you know, How can you say what they think? They are the quintessential punk, are they not?
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Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
1 question for you sXe'rs
Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?
Don't get dodge it, just answer somethig to the effect of "because my pastor said so" or something. But try and make it logical.
FUKC YOU! you're calling us narrowminded?? You think that because Right-wing A-holes like the president are against drugs, and so are sXe'ers that we believe all the same things? I choose not to drugs because I don't want to be a slave to anything, and I've seen many lives and families ruined by drugs and alcohol. I myself am a (non-practicing) alcoholic <---that is why I don't drink.
Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?
Don't get dodge it, just answer somethig to the effect of "because my pastor said so" or something. But try and make it logical.
FUKC YOU! you're calling us narrowminded?? You think that because Right-wing A-holes like the president are against drugs, and so are sXe'ers that we believe all the same things? I choose not to drugs because I don't want to be a slave to anything, and I've seen many lives and families ruined by drugs and alcohol. I myself am a (non-practicing) alcoholic <---that is why I don't drink.
Are you saying you are weak willed?
Drug use does equal automatic slave, right? I mean me and you both know people who do addicting and non-addicting drugs that aren't enslaved by them, right?
If you don't do drugs, because you can't trust yourself to use and not abuse, ok, say that. Say, "I can't handle it myself, i have an incredibley addicting personality, that's why i can't do them." That we all can respect.
We've all seen more lives ruined by religion than anything else, i think we should ban that.
but again the question remains, "Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?"
Is it because some people can't handle it themselves, so everyone is punished?
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
And I don't need drugs to have life-changing sex.
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
If you guys have religious convictions like mormons just say so. (who are some real sXe'rs...no drink, no drugs, no chocolate, no caffeine)No, they aren't, Straight Edge is. a. CHOICE. I've already said this a few times in this thread. You MUST choose to be Straight Edge if you happen to be Mormon, Buddist, Muslim, Christian, Agnostic, Athiest, or w/e it doesn't matter. The only requirements for being "Edge" are not doing any drugs recreationally, and that you claim it by saying that you are Straight Edge.
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
How can you live life to the fullest if you don't even know what is real and what isn't? Or if you get so drunk/high that you can't remember what happend the night before, I've had too many mornings like that.
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
It's weird how you guys listen to punk music, which is (or apparently was) all based upon rebellion, not conforming to the rest of society and free thinking. But I guess there's christian punk music too. I am in love with music, but for me there's been like 4 good punk bands(sex pistols, misfits, ramones, noFx) and each one of them would think sXe'rs are the opposite of what they were about. How can you know, How can you say what they think?
Come on, we both know how the "real" punks from those bands think abuot drugs, no?
Who really thinks Sex pistols didn't do and endorse drugs? or glenn danzig and the misfits? or any of the ramones? come on, be real.
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
1 question for you sXe'rs
Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?
Don't get dodge it, just answer somethig to the effect of "because my pastor said so" or something. But try and make it logical.
FUKC YOU! you're calling us narrowminded?? You think that because Right-wing A-holes like the president are against drugs, and so are sXe'ers that we believe all the same things? I choose not to drugs because I don't want to be a slave to anything, and I've seen many lives and families ruined by drugs and alcohol. I myself am a (non-practicing) alcoholic <---that is why I don't drink.
Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?
Don't get dodge it, just answer somethig to the effect of "because my pastor said so" or something. But try and make it logical.
FUKC YOU! you're calling us narrowminded?? You think that because Right-wing A-holes like the president are against drugs, and so are sXe'ers that we believe all the same things? I choose not to drugs because I don't want to be a slave to anything, and I've seen many lives and families ruined by drugs and alcohol. I myself am a (non-practicing) alcoholic <---that is why I don't drink.
Are you saying you are weak willed? I guess I am, but I'm strong enough not to give-in to the semi constant "peer" pressure of TV and other society that says Taking drugs is cool, it's okay (Music, movies) but don't do drugs they're bad for you ("After School Specials")
Drug use does equal automatic slave, right? No, it doesn't I mean me and you both know people who do addicting and non-addicting drugs that aren't enslaved by them, right? you are the exception to the rule, most ppl that do "hard" drugs (Acid, LSD (pure), Coke, Speed, Heroin, E ('cause most can't find pure MDMA <---SOOO damn fun, and easy to control) do get addicted or have some bad side effect. The reason I have never done acid is because I'm afreaid. I have too many mental "problems" to trust myself to take acid.
If you don't do drugs, because you can't trust yourself to use and not abuse, ok, say that. Say, "I can't handle it myself, i have an incredibley addicting personality, that's why i can't do them." That we all can respect.[b] My family's AA history is only one reason that I don't drink or do drugs. Mostly, like I have said before in this thread, the reason I don't drink can be summed up by watching just about any ep. of Real World, and also Look on YouTube for "Ripsy" from the show "Bad Girls Club" I don't know how many times I've seen ppl get all drunk and wanna fight over a joke that didn't even go too far.[b]
We've all seen more lives ruined by religion than anything else, i think we should ban that. You're right, I think faith is very important, but religion isn't that important to faith.
but again the question remains, "Why is inebriating yourself for fun bad?"
Is it because some people can't handle it themselves, so everyone is punished?
To answer your question, Go at it, have fun, I don't care what you do. Don't try to get me to drink or w/e and I won't try to forceably stop you.
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
And I don't need drugs to have life-changing sex.
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
If you guys have religious convictions like mormons just say so. (who are some real sXe'rs...no drink, no drugs, no chocolate, no caffeine)No, they aren't, Straight Edge is. a. CHOICE. I've already said this a few times in this thread. You MUST choose to be Straight Edge if you happen to be Mormon, Buddist, Muslim, Christian, Agnostic, Athiest, or w/e it doesn't matter. The only requirements for being "Edge" are not doing any drugs recreationally, and that you claim it by saying that you are Straight Edge.
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
How can you live life to the fullest if you don't even know what is real and what isn't? Or if you get so drunk/high that you can't remember what happend the night before, I've had too many mornings like that.
Originally Posted by xSTANDxSTRONGx
It's weird how you guys listen to punk music, which is (or apparently was) all based upon rebellion, not conforming to the rest of society and free thinking. But I guess there's christian punk music too. I am in love with music, but for me there's been like 4 good punk bands(sex pistols, misfits, ramones, noFx) and each one of them would think sXe'rs are the opposite of what they were about. How can you know, How can you say what they think?
"How can you know, how can you say what MY best interests are? When I went to you schools, I went to your Churches, I went to your institutional learning facilities"
-Mike Muir, Suicidal Tendancies
-Mike Muir, Suicidal Tendancies
[b]I don't really care what anybody thinks about my not doing drugs. I did it for me and my future family because I don't want anything to interfere with my raising my children.[b]
Who really thinks Sex pistols didn't do and endorse drugs? or glenn danzig and the misfits? or any of the ramones? come on, be real.
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you are the exception to the rule, most ppl that do "hard" drugs (Acid, LSD (pure), Coke, Speed, Heroin, E ('cause most can't find pure MDMA <---SOOO damn fun, and easy to control) do get addicted or have some bad side effect.