seattledave

I think you guys should band together and liberate our country from this invasion. Start with california, and then work your way up here to seattle, I'm tired of having to order a "número 2 con queso" from mcdonalds. :p

spECIal

like mentioned before, its all about $$$$.
companies hire illegal immigrants because they can pay them less. sad to say, but americans are GREEDY.

yea, im tired of this whole situation, as i am in so cal and see it non-stop. but, its just the way it is. so.........get use to it.

its funny, i remember a couple years back my dad would say........"you better learn to speak spanish."

i didnt really care then, but now...........

dugzilla

I have a boa account and am not going to close it.

Unless you are a native american you shouldn't be talking about illegals.

Most of our parents parents immigrated friom somewhere looking for a better life, so how can you blame these people for wanting the same?

It's easy to say they are costing us billions of dollars, but when you are the most powerful nation in the world you are expected to help the less fortunate.

Look how much we are spending around the rest of the world.

Think about if it was your family living in that third world country and you had to worry where you were getting work, food, healthcare.

I couldn't imagine having to worry about my kids that way.

I am not for illegals, but I can definately understand why they do it.

Just my .02

xdorkx

I'm not racist what-so-ever, in fact i find pleasure in harrassing ****'s and challenging them to fights...regardless, all i meant was, the hispanic population (mexican, primarily) in LA has gone up quite a bit, and LA is getting "poorer", population wise, if that makes sense.

hashmanson76

lol funny ____zzz lol at least your leaning spanish now your bilingual hahah

xdorkx

America becoming a 3rd world country is going to be reality if we're not careful, and if you don't know what this is, I suggest you do some research. In Maywood, CA last summer, they had massive demonstrations of illegals calling on whites to return to Europe, that amongs many other vulgar terms that I won't write down. The escalation there happened after an American flag was taken down from a flagpole at the post office and replaced with a Mexican flag. Huge uproar on both sides. Youtube the incident if you're curious, cause they have some good clips from Lou Dobbs on there.

In fact, here is the clip from youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIB_X...elated&search=

NOTHING is being done. Bush gives lip service to the fence and border patrol but panders to corporate lobbyists; after all his America is about $$ not people. The this is an issue being kept quiet--Why, and by whom???????Every day more and more illegals stream in and our government does nothing- many of these people have NO housing, future, money; if they need medical treatment they get it while we pay top dollar for prescriptions. The whole situation is like an active volcano, and everyone will suffer when it explodes (Except the ultra rich who can isolate themselves)

seattledave

We all hear this statement everytime this is brought up, I think everyone should realise just because your parents lived somewhere, or your "forefathers" did, that you have righteous claim to an area til the end of time. That's b.s., just look at how every border of every country has changed.

It's the reason why there's such conflict in "israel".
Most americans don't know that israel is little more than 50 years old. Before that, muslim palenstinians lived relatively peacefully there under british rule and that was their home. They even let the miniscule amount of jews that lived there live peacefully with them. Then a bunch of rich jews finiacially persuaded the U.N. after ww2 to kick out the palenstinians and let them live there. The british didn't want to argue(and didn't vote to let the jews move in) so they high-tailed and left the palensteinians to defend themselves. the jews thought because at certain points in history, they controlled that area, they deserved it, regardless to the fact people already lived there. And jews aren't even supposed to "take back the holy land" until the messiah comes anyway, so really they're going against what their religion tells them.

Tell me that's not b.s., if you think us white americans "stole" the land of america from the native americans, then by definition you'd have to think the jews no better.

I'm an atheist, and i don't give a **** about someone's made up religion, so that's why i'm not biased towards the state of israel and their european/american supporters.

Because we're already over populated. We don't need more people. We need to have less people and more resources.
I'd sorta agree if they come here to make a better life for them and us, but they don't. I'm all for immigration if that said person is educated, know the language and comes here to open businesses and create jobs for natural born americans. People say "we have tons of land for them to live in". Ok, well I don't see them moving to kansas and north dakota. no they move to one of about a dozen overcrowded metropolises and make those places crappy.

I went to public school in texas, i remember all the 1st and 2nd gen mexicans who said america sucks, viva la mexico! How as soon as a fight started, they didn't speak english anymore and yet everyone of them took spanish as an elective for easy credits(foreign language classes in high school are the equivlant to a kindergarden 1st language course, like "see spot run").

flame on!

seattledave

Isn't it weird how REPUBLICANS who'd normally be saying "we have to deport them all back" "protect our borders" haven't been doing anything in the last few years about this? Why? Because they're losing elections because of minority votes, and even though only legals can vote, the majority of legal mexicans/hispanics side with illegal mexicans and they're not going to vote for someone who's hard on "their family". It's retarded. It's stupid. It's true.

dugzilla

What we need and what we get is often 2 different things.

I don't like a lot of things about our government, but I wouldn't want to live in another country.

This problem will get worse and if we don't have some system to deal with it there is going to be an explosion!

ModelAXb

I used to be really against illegals until i finally realized that its impossible to send 13? million of them back. Then i realized that its better for us to not send them back, we benifit so much more by exploiting them. Alot of them must pay social security on existing SSNs, and correct me if im wrong, but they wont be able to collect on anything when the time comes. Our SS system is going to be strained beyond belief coming up in a few years, and millions of people footing the bill and not collecting on it sounds pretty good to me.

seattledave

Most don't pay SS, most all get regular checks from employeers(my ex-stepdad owned a landscaping business).

The only illegals paying SS are ones working for big companies, who try and play it on the up and up.

so while you get some to pay SS and taxes, add up the payout to welfare(remember alot of these illegals have kids here and get themselves legalized, i don't have any sympathy for these people), food stamps, emergency room visits, jail, border patrol, crime, etc... it doesn't come close to paying it.

&btw, they're not getting SS, and neither are we.

ModelAXb

Well around here alot of them work for large companies (Ashley furniture, Golden Plump chicken) and I imagine companies that big dont cut too many corners when it comes to that stuff. Still, if they aren't legal and paying on a legitimate SSN, they still wont be able to collect right?
As for the welfare and health care costs, tell me about it. Im waiting for when their thousands of kids overwhelm our school systems up here. None of them are land owners so the schools wont be getting any more money. Its going to be interesting to say the least.

dugzilla

If that is the case the employer is just as much to blame. They are required to get SSN's and report the earnings on those SSN's.

The system is screwed up, but all I hear is _____ing.
What should be done?
It's a big problem that isn't going to be solved anytime soon.

seattledave

We need some crazy ex-marine to dress up like batman and kick some illegal ___.

ashiva

some points to research, consider and debate:

Why are many Latin American countries in such an impoverished state?

Which comes first, humanity or nationality?

Does the U.S. have a responsibility as one of the most powerful nations to help those less privilaged/suffering from "crimes against humanity" (think Iraq as a precedent)?

Opportunity is a privilage. What would you do if you didn't have it?

What is the most effecient way to run a capitalistic society?

I suggest reading John Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath" , especially the CA people

seattledave

Lack of resources, technologically behind the rest of the world.

In a perfect world, "humanity". But every country, no matter what form of governement, believes it's "nationality".

No. But when we pretend to have that responsibilty, just look at the stupid things we do. (think Iraq as a precedent)

Not breed for one. If you can't afford to eat, live well, why would you produce children to grow up in such a state? (think africa, mexico, south america, china, india as a precedent)

Get rich by exploiting the poor, weak and stupid. that's the most efficient way to run a CAPITALIST society

Boring fiction, and it suggests socialism is probably the best way to live. Communism anyone?

xdorkx

The problem is these immigrants and illegal aliens do NOT want to learn English. They expect Americans to accommodate them with Spanish. Worse than that,these immigrants and the illegal aliens are building countries within the USA. They all live in certain subdivisions, they all go to Spanish churches and hobby clubs, they all eat in their own restaurants.

Basically, instead of integrating in American society and becoming an American as millions have done in the past 2 centuries, these people do not want to be here. They are just here to suck off an American free education and healthcare and send $ back to their home countries.

Furthermore, I must add that we don't need people like that here. We need people who want to become Americans and who want to contribute to our society. If you don't want to be here or are a leech, please go back to wherever you are from. We only need contributing folks who want to be here and like America.
BECOME PART OF THE MELTING POT, DONT CREATE YOUR OWN.

ashiva

interesting.

is integration possible with different skin colors; how does it vary with different economic classes?
does integration equate with giving up a person's identity i.e.
does a person have to give up their heritage in order to be american?
why melting pot over mosaic?

xdorkx

I work in irvine california for a mortgage company, i work in the IT department. Just 2 minutes ago, i was in the break room talking with a girl from turkey and a girl from india, both who were born in their respctive countries, and now live and work here, with citizenships. California is VERY diverse, and people of all skin colors, races, etc are able to 'jump into the melting pot' and integrate. Yes, we'll still have different social classes and statures, that won't change. But who says somebody has to give up their culture? I work with people from pretty much every race and religion, and i go to lunch/happy-hour with them often. They're able to join the american melting pot while still keeping their own cultures, no problem what-so-ever. I'm going to lunch, more on this later.

seattledave

sure it is.
Intergration at the workplace, easily, until you start hiring/firing/promoting people solely based on skin color and make it well known or legal.
Color has little to do with it, if you ask me. It's when people like to play up to the stereotype of color +"heritage", "nationality" or "ethnincity" or some other b.s. that intergration becomes harder and more fought.

Integration in relationships sorta has been working. There's some richer areas around here where it's become pretty normal to see a rich white guy with an asian wife.
Down south there's alot of white guys with hispanic wifes.
and of course there's alot of single white mothers with half nonwhite babies, all over(i know that sounds racist, but next time you see a white woman with a half-nonwhite baby, check to see if she has a ring on her finger).

generally poor-poor people and rich-rich people stay within their race so they don't look bad to others. the middle class seems to be the ones integrating the most.

If someone bases their identity on how/where their grandparents lived(or an older generation of relative), then that person is never going to be an american.

Be an american or don't. As soon as your "plutoian-american" or something else, you don't think of yourself as an american. Be a brown american, be a pink american, the color doesn't matter, but if someone wastes their life trying to identify with a culture that is long gone and not here they're not trully here.

Sorry, but us white guys of mixed european heritage don't waste our time saying "but I need you to respect my german/polish/scotish/swedish ancestry... and i need special recognition for it. and a museum. and a month of my own. o and I am ____ed there aren't more german americans working at Abercrombie, in higher positions, why are there so many italian/english/finnish managers there?" Doesn't that sound stupid?

This is why we don't feel safe. If we're all truly americans here, and we're taught to be proud nationalists (like every other country does), we wouldn't have such problems.