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12-15-2008, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by teamben158
They shot it down because the UAW would not budge on the wages they pay people. Greedy jerks ruined it.
The only company that should be saved, is GM, if they commit to killing off Cadillac, Hummer, Buick, and Pontiac. None of those 4 companies have even tried to make an effort at making a more efficient vehicle and none of them have even made profit in years. Ford has been holding its own, and doesn't need much of a saving. Mullaly is already in the process of saving Ford. They just need to get rid of Lincoln and Mercury, they're just dead weight at this point. Then there is Chrysler. Chrysler should have burned down to the ground a long time ago. They haven't even made a quality car since the...lol nevermind.
I honestly think it's better to just let them declare chapter 11, then with a government sponsored restructuring, they will be able to break away from the crippling UAW contracts. It's going to hurt some people, but like you said, it's either less pay and reasonable benefits or unemployment.
No offense to anyone, but come on...$30+/hour and 100% benefits for unskilled labor? How can anyone plan a business model around that?
12-16-2008, 01:31 AM
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what needs to happen is they need to cut the amount of dealerships there are. toyota sales more cars with fewer dealerships. there is no reason for small cities to have 3-4 dealers of the same brand.
12-16-2008, 02:42 AM
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Just read this, seems to be pretty accurate:
A Japanese company (Toyota) and an American company (Ford Motors)
decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River.
Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance
before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate
the reason for the crushing defeat.
A management team made up of senior management was formed to
investigate and recommend appropriate action.
Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person
steering, while the American team had 7 people steering and 2 people
rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order; American management hired a
consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second
opinion.
They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat,
while not enough people were rowing.
Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent
another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure
was totally reorganized to:
4 steering supervisors, 2 area steering superintendents and 1
assistant superintendent steering manager.
They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 2
people rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was
called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners
and free pens for the rowers.
There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other
equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The pension
program was trimmed to 'equal the competition' and some of the
resultant savings were channeled into morale boosting programs and
teamwork posters.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid-off one rower, halted
development of a new canoe, sold all the paddles, and canceled all
capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was
distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses.
The next year, try as he might, the lone designated rower was unable
to even finish the race (having no paddles), so he was laid off for
unacceptable performance, all canoe equipment was sold and the next
year's racing team was out-sourced to India.
Sadly, the End.
decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River.
Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance
before the race.
On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.
The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate
the reason for the crushing defeat.
A management team made up of senior management was formed to
investigate and recommend appropriate action.
Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person
steering, while the American team had 7 people steering and 2 people
rowing.
Feeling a deeper study was in order; American management hired a
consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second
opinion.
They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat,
while not enough people were rowing.
Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent
another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure
was totally reorganized to:
4 steering supervisors, 2 area steering superintendents and 1
assistant superintendent steering manager.
They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 2
people rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was
called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners
and free pens for the rowers.
There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other
equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The pension
program was trimmed to 'equal the competition' and some of the
resultant savings were channeled into morale boosting programs and
teamwork posters.
The next year the Japanese won by two miles.
Humiliated, the American management laid-off one rower, halted
development of a new canoe, sold all the paddles, and canceled all
capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was
distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses.
The next year, try as he might, the lone designated rower was unable
to even finish the race (having no paddles), so he was laid off for
unacceptable performance, all canoe equipment was sold and the next
year's racing team was out-sourced to India.
Sadly, the End.
12-16-2008, 08:15 AM
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The only problem I see with bankruptcy? EVERYONE goes bankrupt. Not just the company, but every individual dealer. Some Ford dealers sold more than 400 trucks last month when they were offering $7500 off. That $7500 was picked up by Ford Motor Company. If Ford were to go bankrupt, it'd kill just about every independent dealer.
Same holds true for any company that offers rebates and incentives.
Same holds true for any company that offers rebates and incentives.
12-19-2008, 05:34 AM
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Heh... mind you, I don't like the idea of a bailout. I'd prefer to see management and the union reach some sort of agreement on static wages on both sides for the short term, and then drastically reduce prices to where profit is minimal (as in break even or a few dollars more per unit), but business can continue and people stay employed, and retirees can stay retired. Hopefully the sharp drop in prices would be enough to revive interest in the product. This spurs other growth elsewhere, like having mods being more abundant and available since there's a market for them. With a viable business model, getting a loan for R&D wouldn't be too hard, so they could continue research on better/more efficient/prettier cars.
I'm just saying... it worked for my lemonade stand when I was a kid. No way could I ask my mom for a bailout.
EDIT: And there's nothing stopping the big three from hiring a company that specializes in shingijutsu or other process development methods like what Toyota does. However I've seen firsthand the look on the Japanese guy's face when he tries to improve a union shop. The best I can describe it is feed a diabetic six whole cheesecakes, wait 15 minutes, and then look at him.
Ford, at least, does TOPS 8D. Or they used to. That's a positive step to lowering operating costs.
I'm just saying... it worked for my lemonade stand when I was a kid. No way could I ask my mom for a bailout.
EDIT: And there's nothing stopping the big three from hiring a company that specializes in shingijutsu or other process development methods like what Toyota does. However I've seen firsthand the look on the Japanese guy's face when he tries to improve a union shop. The best I can describe it is feed a diabetic six whole cheesecakes, wait 15 minutes, and then look at him.
Ford, at least, does TOPS 8D. Or they used to. That's a positive step to lowering operating costs.
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