Death Penalty
#201
Originally Posted by TheRealBen
Ok, to all you pro-lifers out there...are you the one carrying around a baby that you know you don't want from the moment it is cenceived?
No, that's why they allow abortions before the fetus has any brain activity, at that point it is still just cells dividing and is NO DIFFERENT than retarded vegans eating only plants because they have no brain function.
Get over it, it's not your unborn fetus.
No, that's why they allow abortions before the fetus has any brain activity, at that point it is still just cells dividing and is NO DIFFERENT than retarded vegans eating only plants because they have no brain function.
Get over it, it's not your unborn fetus.
Well, it's because:
1) I willingly jumped off my roof
2) The consequences of jumping off roofs is potential broken bones and death
Sex has consequences. But no, a girl who get's pregnant shouldn't have to live with the consequences of those actions...that's not her choice.
Freedom of choice should start with your actions. If I exercise my right to not jump off my roof, then I won't break my leg. If a girl exercises her right to not have sex, she won't get pregnant.
#202
Grrrr... this topic just sucks you in.
Here is my personal standpoint differing from the posts where i was simply arguing against flawed logic.
I believe that taking the life of another person who could otherwise live is wrong. That includes capitol punishment and abortion.
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
Here is my personal standpoint differing from the posts where i was simply arguing against flawed logic.
I believe that taking the life of another person who could otherwise live is wrong. That includes capitol punishment and abortion.
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
#203
Originally Posted by seattledave
i think abortion is acceptable if the woman gets herself sterlized right after. for any reason.
i think that seems to be the best compromise between pro-life/choicers
i think that seems to be the best compromise between pro-life/choicers
#204
secretagentmonkey...
You are christian?
Your doctrine is as follows "thou shalt not kill" - direct word of god. Also jesus preached that you should "turn the other cheek". In the face of these mandates from your own religion which you must follow to achieve eternal salvation how can you argue from a christian standpoint for killing someone who displeases you?
You are christian?
Your doctrine is as follows "thou shalt not kill" - direct word of god. Also jesus preached that you should "turn the other cheek". In the face of these mandates from your own religion which you must follow to achieve eternal salvation how can you argue from a christian standpoint for killing someone who displeases you?
#205
Originally Posted by citizen01
Grrrr... this topic just sucks you in.
Here is my personal standpoint differing from the posts where i was simply arguing against flawed logic.
I believe that taking the life of another person who could otherwise live is wrong. That includes capitol punishment and abortion.
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
Here is my personal standpoint differing from the posts where i was simply arguing against flawed logic.
I believe that taking the life of another person who could otherwise live is wrong. That includes capitol punishment and abortion.
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
What about if someone went into a hospital and stabbed a comatose patient? Would that be murder?
Here's one thing we can agree on, this thing sucks you in...I need to get some work done!!!!
#206
Originally Posted by citizen01
Grrrr... this topic just sucks you in.
Here is my personal standpoint differing from the posts where i was simply arguing against flawed logic.
I believe that taking the life of another person who could otherwise live is wrong. That includes capitol punishment and abortion.
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
Here is my personal standpoint differing from the posts where i was simply arguing against flawed logic.
I believe that taking the life of another person who could otherwise live is wrong. That includes capitol punishment and abortion.
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
A fetus with no brain activity is no different than a head of lettuce with no brain activity.
#207
Originally Posted by citizen01
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
The two topics are very different. Abortion is killing an innocent baby. No matter what the circumstanses, the baby is not guilty of anything.
Capital punishment is ending the life of a person who has been found guilty of a serious crime. The Baby had no choice, the criminal did. BIG difference.
#209
Originally Posted by TheRealBen
Originally Posted by citizen01
Grrrr... this topic just sucks you in.
Here is my personal standpoint differing from the posts where i was simply arguing against flawed logic.
I believe that taking the life of another person who could otherwise live is wrong. That includes capitol punishment and abortion.
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
Here is my personal standpoint differing from the posts where i was simply arguing against flawed logic.
I believe that taking the life of another person who could otherwise live is wrong. That includes capitol punishment and abortion.
I suppose it depends on how you define murder to say that abortion is murder. If you define it as taking away someone's right to live against there will abortion is not murder.
A fetus with no brain activity is no different than a head of lettuce with no brain activity.
#211
matt... can you answer the question I posed to secretagentmonkey?
I would like to also say that for complete strangers to have this conversation and not have any name calling etc to this point is AWESOME. Bravo SL.
I would like to also say that for complete strangers to have this conversation and not have any name calling etc to this point is AWESOME. Bravo SL.
#212
Originally Posted by citizen01
matt... can you answer the question I posed to secretagentmonkey?
I would like to also say that for complete strangers to have this conversation and not have any name calling etc to this point is AWESOME. Bravo SL.
I would like to also say that for complete strangers to have this conversation and not have any name calling etc to this point is AWESOME. Bravo SL.
#213
Originally Posted by citizen01
secretagentmonkey...
You are christian?
Your doctrine is as follows "thou shalt not kill" - direct word of god. Also jesus preached that you should "turn the other cheek". In the face of these mandates from your own religion which you must follow to achieve eternal salvation how can you argue from a christian standpoint for killing someone who displeases you?
You are christian?
Your doctrine is as follows "thou shalt not kill" - direct word of god. Also jesus preached that you should "turn the other cheek". In the face of these mandates from your own religion which you must follow to achieve eternal salvation how can you argue from a christian standpoint for killing someone who displeases you?
Jesus did say to "turn the other cheek" which means not to be vengeful. And the ten commandments states that though "Shall not kill". However, I think the Bible also defines what is or isn't murder. If you are at war, you can't turn the other cheek, you have to fight and kill the enemy. And I think it says something about capital punishment as well. I'll look it up after work.
#215
Originally Posted by SecretAgentMonkey
Originally Posted by citizen01
secretagentmonkey...
You are christian?
Your doctrine is as follows "thou shalt not kill" - direct word of god. Also jesus preached that you should "turn the other cheek". In the face of these mandates from your own religion which you must follow to achieve eternal salvation how can you argue from a christian standpoint for killing someone who displeases you?
You are christian?
Your doctrine is as follows "thou shalt not kill" - direct word of god. Also jesus preached that you should "turn the other cheek". In the face of these mandates from your own religion which you must follow to achieve eternal salvation how can you argue from a christian standpoint for killing someone who displeases you?
Jesus did say to "turn the other cheek" which means not to be vengeful. And the ten commandments states that though "Shall not kill". However, I think the Bible also defines what is or isn't murder. If you are at war, you can't turn the other cheek, you have to fight and kill the enemy. And I think it says something about capital punishment as well. I'll look it up after work.
#216
Originally Posted by citizen01
secretagentmonkey...
You are christian?
Your doctrine is as follows "thou shalt not kill" - direct word of god. Also jesus preached that you should "turn the other cheek". In the face of these mandates from your own religion which you must follow to achieve eternal salvation how can you argue from a christian standpoint for killing someone who displeases you?
You are christian?
Your doctrine is as follows "thou shalt not kill" - direct word of god. Also jesus preached that you should "turn the other cheek". In the face of these mandates from your own religion which you must follow to achieve eternal salvation how can you argue from a christian standpoint for killing someone who displeases you?
#217
Originally Posted by seattledave
you're christian. so you should know/believe that any new testament idea/theology supercedes any conflicting old testament doctrine.
#219
Oh, that question. Okay, here is how I see it. In Luke Chapter 20, People were watching Jesus to try and trap him in something they could hold against him. They knew that the Roman government was corrupt, so they asked Jesus if they should pay taxes to Caesar. He answered them by saying, "Show me a denarius. Whose portrait and inscription are on it?" "Caesar's," they replied. He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
There is also another section (don't remember chapter & verse) where Jesus says all leaders and governments (good or bad) are in place by the will of God as part of his plan.
In other words, we are to obey the laws set in place by our government unless they directly contradict God's word.
So the way I see it is this: Abortion is always totally wrong because it's killing an innocent baby. I'm kind of on the fence with capital punishment, because our government has established it as a form of punishment according to our laws, and the person is NOT innocent. Like I said above, the baby had no choice...the criminal did.
There is also another section (don't remember chapter & verse) where Jesus says all leaders and governments (good or bad) are in place by the will of God as part of his plan.
In other words, we are to obey the laws set in place by our government unless they directly contradict God's word.
So the way I see it is this: Abortion is always totally wrong because it's killing an innocent baby. I'm kind of on the fence with capital punishment, because our government has established it as a form of punishment according to our laws, and the person is NOT innocent. Like I said above, the baby had no choice...the criminal did.
#220
I use the bible to show the hypocracy in christians not to make any point of my own.
LOL... you think killing other people was a perfectly acceptable practice before the bible? Sorry but you guys aren't the only ones to know that killing other people is wrong.
LOL... you think killing other people was a perfectly acceptable practice before the bible? Sorry but you guys aren't the only ones to know that killing other people is wrong.