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Old 05-08-2007, 08:42 PM
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In that case, you would not call it "murder" you would call it "defense".

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Old 05-08-2007, 08:43 PM
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There is a difference between doing a heroic act and an act out of pure greed.

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When I say "about to", I don't mean in that instant, I mean over the course of a year or two or nine, one person at a time. Does that change anything?
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Yes it does.

In that case, that is an act of greed. The person is a murderer. He should have told that authorities instead of trying to do it himself.

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I don't see how it's greed, but I see where you're comming from. Just curious as to where you stand on it.
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Originally Posted by citizen01
"We are given the good sense to know that the lawbreakers death is better than the lawkeepers death."

You act like it is one or the other. You can say that the bible leaves room for us to make our own judgement all you want but God still said "thou shalt not kill". Now if you can find a new testament verse saying "if you are really upset cause someone wronged you disobey my commandment and go ahed and kill him" let me know.
Sadly, I am here at work and do not have my copy of the sword with me, so, I cannot give you a chapter or verse. But, I will stick by my faith and what I have said.
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"the sword"?

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Old 05-08-2007, 08:55 PM
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God gave us free will. If he wanted us to be robots, he would of made us robots. He wants us to love him/serve him because we want to, not because we have to.

Man did not just make up the bible, they wrote down what God told them to, and what they saw.
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
I don't see how it's greed, but I see where you're comming from. Just curious as to where you stand on it.
I stand strongly. Very strongly.

And I see it as greed because he was greedy of being a hero. He did not let the right people take proper action on it, and he did it himself. That is greed to me.

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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
2. as backseatcris said on the first page, it's murder so yr no less of a beast than they are
If you kill someone who was about to kill a dozen innocent people, does that still make you a beast? or are you more of a beast for having the opportunity to save the dozen innocents by murder, and opting not to do it?

If I COULD save a dozen people obviously I would if it is about to happen in front of my eyes

if someone already has killed people and then i take him when he is in prison and has no way out and THEN kill him then no
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
When I say "about to", I don't mean in that instant, I mean over the course of a year or two or nine, one person at a time. Does that change anything?
just read this
but no doesn't change my position
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Exactly.

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Old 05-08-2007, 09:08 PM
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ok, anti murderers...

If someone gave you, and only you, a one shot option of pressing a button that sends a bullet back in time to kill hitler before he even thought about killing someone, would you?
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again that's preventing something we know would happen so yes
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and I qualify that as being a "hero" sinc ehe's free and harmful and about to kill 6 mil people
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Sorry dave but this is a different situation. We have the option to either kill or incarcerate. You are only giving the option to kill. Faulty analogy.
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No. Not at all.

I might get yelled at for this, but:

I admire Hitler. He was a genious. He was so smart that he always had escape routes, and backup escape routes for his escape routes, and backup escape routes for his backup escape routes...and so on.

Hitler had amazing leadership skills. We have had worse presidents than Hitler!

It was sad that he used his talent for something bad, but maybe there was some logic behind what he was doing. Maybe. I'm not saying I agree with what he did. I am just saying he was a very smart man.

And he died. He got a different form of the death penalty. And I wouldn't kill him, that would make me a murderer.....as we talked about this earlier.

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Originally Posted by ___MmmBoxy___
No. Not at all.

I might get yelled at for this, but:

I admire Hitler. He was a genious. He was so smart that he always had escape routes, and backup escape routes for his escape routes, and backup escape routes for his backup escape routes...and so on.

Hitler had amazing leadership skills. We have had worse presidents than Hitler!

It was sad that he used his talent for something bad, but maybe there was some logic behind what he was doing. Maybe. I'm not saying I agree with what he did. I am just saying he was a very smart man.

And he died. He got a different form of the death penalty. And I wouldn't kill him, that would make me a murderer.....as we talked about this earlier.

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I wouldn't say he was a genious. Remember, there is a fine line between being a genious and insane, and hitler was definitely really far over on the insane side. He took complete advantage of a country in shambles, made himself supreme dictator and killed a ton of people. Sorry, that's not genious in my book.

And if I had the chance, I would've walked straight up to him and put a bullet in his forehead, and then emptied the clip just to be sure he's dead. I wouldn't care if I would be considered a murderer either.
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Hitler died in a ditch with a bullet in his head... seems his final backup plan had a tiny little flaw in it.
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Yes this is true, but I still admire him.

And see? He got his form of the death penalty. I don't need to do it.

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