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05-18-2007, 10:54 PM
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that is simply one of the stupididst things i have ever heard.
On the high end of things: Creationism, and a 10k year old Earth.
Then everything in between.
05-18-2007, 10:56 PM
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Jesus went to Hell? What! I thought that Good people go to heaven, bad people go to hell (using your understanding of the bible). Jesus ever mention going to hell? Give me a scripture.
For the love of God, Youre comparing the chronicles of Narnia to the bible? Christ, no wonder why people laugh at us here!
For the love of God, Youre comparing the chronicles of Narnia to the bible? Christ, no wonder why people laugh at us here!
05-18-2007, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nameless_ak
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Originally Posted by nameless_ak
God set everything up how sin works yes, but he gave us free will adam sinned causing the fall of mankind, that is why jesus had to die, because adam sinned because of that people couldnt have a relationship with God except going into the holy of holies, God wanted us to have that relatioship again, the only way to accomplish thats was Jesus, it is part of how things were set up, the "rules". is this making sense to you? mabey i could pm you later when i have more time.
I don't understand why jesus had to die. God did have a very very close relationship with people, even wicked non-holy people like King David, who was well before jesus.
Since you know the bible, you know your god had relationships with people, good and bad, holy and unholy already in the bible, so why did jesus have to die?
Is it because god made this game where "usually" some people (because some sins, like king david's did not always get a sacrifice) have to kill an animal to get god to forgive them, and because of god's rule that he follow himself only most of the time, that jesus made a deal with god? or satan? to be the one to die for the rest of humanituy's sins?
It's a damn children's book. regardless, please answer the questions i put forth directly.
05-18-2007, 11:11 PM
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Youre saying thats not what christians believe? Never heard a preacher or crying mother/father say that their child died because God needed a angel? Ever watch tv? Ive heard that hundreds of times. A tornado wipes out a trailer park in texas/arkansas/alabama/redneck state and the mom goes on tv, and says that God needed my little baby as a angel. You are out of your mind if you say christians dont say that. Citizen, dave, youve heard that before havent you?
05-18-2007, 11:13 PM
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I am saying that the chronicles of narnia is based off of the books by cs lewis a chritian author who is basing his stories off of bible, it is an easy way for people to understand things. if i was talking to a theology magor i wouldnt use narnia as an example. and as far as jesus going to hell if you would have read all of my posts you would have allready understood that. jesus took all of our sin and sin is death the wages of sin is death more specific hell. jesus died with our sin and went to hell took the "keys" back from satain who got them when adam sinned (refur to my earlier posts) and now we just ask for forgivness. the key thing is just to help people understand why jesus died. the bible refurs to jesus going to hades wich is a place of the dead, not necesarily hell. but still he made the way for our sin to be removed. you need to read my erlier posts i dont have time to explain all over again i really have to go now im at work.
05-18-2007, 11:16 PM
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please pm me seattle dave ill answer your SPECIFIC question when i get back. specific as in i need to know what your asking for i cant answer some questions which would require 500 pages of bible history and the basics of theology.
05-18-2007, 11:16 PM
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yes krusty, christians do that all the time. they'll pretend a rapist killing their child was "god will" so the can sleep through the night. It was a whole "satan's temptation/america supports gays/god's will" combo that can not be fully explained.
everything is god's will according to christians. The Cowboys winning a superbowl was god's will because apparently they're better christians than whoever they're playing. God wanted Sally Mae to win the lotto because she's been praying for it for 20 years. etc...
everything is god's will according to christians. The Cowboys winning a superbowl was god's will because apparently they're better christians than whoever they're playing. God wanted Sally Mae to win the lotto because she's been praying for it for 20 years. etc...
05-18-2007, 11:22 PM
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You notice that they never blame God/Jesus when they lose. Man, that would be some funny ask skit.
and don't forget the ubiquitous: It's all part of His plan.
Oh really, so if I pick up this 3 pound rock and cave your skull in, that would be part of His plan too, huh?
and don't forget the ubiquitous: It's all part of His plan.
Oh really, so if I pick up this 3 pound rock and cave your skull in, that would be part of His plan too, huh?
05-18-2007, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nameless_ak
I am saying that the chronicles of narnia is based off of the books by cs lewis a chritian author who is basing his stories off of bible, it is an easy way for people to understand things. if i was talking to a theology magor i wouldnt use narnia as an example. and as far as jesus going to hell if you would have read all of my posts you would have allready understood that. jesus took all of our sin and sin is death the wages of sin is death more specific hell. jesus died with our sin and went to hell took the "keys" back from satain who got them when adam sinned (refur to my earlier posts) and now we just ask for forgivness. the key thing is just to help people understand why jesus died. the bible refurs to jesus going to hades wich is a place of the dead, not necesarily hell. but still he made the way for our sin to be removed. you need to read my erlier posts i dont have time to explain all over again i really have to go now im at work.
as far as i remmeber, god punished adam with a short life and casting him out of the garden.
Did Adam start killing animals when he sinned because god instructed him to?
05-18-2007, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by krustytheclown
Youre saying thats not what christians believe? Never heard a preacher or crying mother/father say that their child died because God needed a angel? Ever watch tv? Ive heard that hundreds of times. A tornado wipes out a trailer park in texas/arkansas/alabama/redneck state and the mom goes on tv, and says that God needed my little baby as a angel. You are out of your mind if you say christians dont say that. Citizen, dave, youve heard that before havent you?
05-18-2007, 11:46 PM
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I would love to see Kobe Bryant/Shaq/Dale Earnhardt/Alex Rodriguez blame God for not winning. That would be great.
The second that my religion EVER refers to the Chronicles of Narnia is the second I leave.
I point out that most of their beliefs are wrong, using their own books against them, they bring up a damn childrens book. Wow.
"Christians" believe in a lot of stuff thats not in the bible.
Explain this please, When Adam was created, God told him to fill the earth and subdue it. His job was to turn the entire earth in a paradise (like eden) and name the animals... Notice nothing about chill on earth for a while, then I'll bring you to heaven. Why do you believe you go to heaven? What about everyone before Christ came to the earth? He said; “No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man.” (John 3:13)
What about Noah? David? Moses? Abraham? Surely, these were good men, weren't they? What happened to them?
The second that my religion EVER refers to the Chronicles of Narnia is the second I leave.
I point out that most of their beliefs are wrong, using their own books against them, they bring up a damn childrens book. Wow.
"Christians" believe in a lot of stuff thats not in the bible.
Explain this please, When Adam was created, God told him to fill the earth and subdue it. His job was to turn the entire earth in a paradise (like eden) and name the animals... Notice nothing about chill on earth for a while, then I'll bring you to heaven. Why do you believe you go to heaven? What about everyone before Christ came to the earth? He said; “No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man.” (John 3:13)
What about Noah? David? Moses? Abraham? Surely, these were good men, weren't they? What happened to them?
05-18-2007, 11:52 PM
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I always wondered about what happened to the millions of people that populated this Earth eons before Jesus walked the Earth died for our sins. Or the billions of Chinese, Indians, Africans, and Native Americans (both north and south) that were around before, during, and after Jesus, and never even heard of him.
05-18-2007, 11:57 PM
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pretty much 99.9% of people that have ever lived are in or going to hell according to our alaskan friend and most christians.
This god of love we keep hearing about has 99.9% of everyone he created burning in hell.
pretty much 99.9% of people that have ever lived are in or going to hell according to our alaskan friend and most christians.
This god of love we keep hearing about has 99.9% of everyone he created burning in hell.
05-19-2007, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
So God hates the Chinese, Africans, Indians, and Native Americans? Certainly explains our current foriegn policy and past domestic policies.