The bible speaks of a resurrection of the Good and the bad

Acts 24: 15

and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

Obviously, there are a lot of people who never had the chance to learn about god, like the peoples you mentioned, so God will resurrect them and give them the chance that we all have today. To serve god or not serve him.

 

The bible explains that creation points to the creator, Notice many peoples who have never heard the name jesus or never sat in a church say native americans before the bible was brought over from europe, many of the tribes believed in one creator, "God" and because of our conscience that God has put inside of us we know good from evil (sin) God loves everyone.

 

Okay everyone on this forum, Most of you are not trying to learn, such as jenna was a few pages back, most of you are hear just to argue, and it is a lot easier and faster to ask questions and make points that arent true then it is to answer all of the questions. I promise there is an answer to ALL of your questions. You may not understand certain things in the bible and about christianity but this is probably because you havent done much research and what you have learned you only selected what you wanted to know to disprove chritianity, if you ever went through high school or college you know that you have to take things in CONTEXT which most of you are not doing. Another problem here, why you dont understand christianity is because you dont understand christ. All your life you have heard people and there own ideas and you may have gone through a "christian school" but they teach you about certain rules laws and there are good things, but people cant teach you into a relationship of agape love (greek for the love God has for us) Christianity is not about rules and regulations it is about love, stop looking at all of peoples opinions and look at the bible, there are too many people that say they are christians and really dont have the slightest clue about who jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit really are. Please if some "evangelist" said somthing wrong or hateful dont take it out on Jesus. Just like scion has americanized the xB america has americanized Christianity which regardless if you like the new xB or not it is a bad thing what has happened to the word christianity, God is allways the same and will allways love you the same. you must realize i dont want to argue i simply want you to know that there is allways an answer to your questions but most importantly know God loves you he created you and he longs to be with you. If only i could explain in this forum how much He loves you. If you would only except Him, if someone hurt you in the past mabey a "christian" know that that wasnt God because God wouldnt do ANYTHING to hurt you. God has changed my life he is my life, everything i do i want to become closser to him he answers my cries he is allways there for me,i really wish you all could understand that. I hope and pray that you will find him. -Bryce

 

God wouldnt do anything to hurt you? But if you dont serve him, you go to hell right? How is that not hurting you?

Don't get me wrong, I believe in God and Jesus. I believe that Jesus died for us, however, Im just showing you the hypocrasy in what "christianity" has taught you. Dave, Citizen, Me, and most of the other people here have done a lot more research than you have.

BTW, use paragraphs ok? A average proper paragraph is no more than 4-5 sentences. I can't really understand all you points you are trying to make.

 

If we go to hell if we are bad/evil then what about

Ecclesiastes 9:5: "For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten."

Rom. 6:23: “The wages sin pays is death.”

Rom. 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”

1 John 4:8: “God is love.”

They are conscious of nothing at all. If they are conscious of nothing at all, how can they go to hell and burn forever? If when we die, and are acquitted from sin, why would we need to pay for our sins again in Hell? How would God be love, if he said the wages sin pays is death, but then when we die, we go to hell forever?

(I loves me some references)
In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the “nether world . . . is pictured as a place full of horrors, and is presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” (The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, Boston, 1898, Morris Jastrow, Jr., p. 581) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom’s hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. (The Book of the Dead, New Hyde Park, N.Y., 1960, with introduction by E. A. Wallis Budge, pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161) Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th century B.C.E., in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. (The Encyclopedia Americana, 1977, Vol. 14, p. 6 Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic churches in Italy have been traced to Etruscan roots.—La civiltà etrusca (Milan, 1979), Werner Keller, p. 389.

But the real roots of this God-dishonoring doctrine go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associated with a hell of torment slander God and originate with the chief slanderer of God (the Devil, which name means “Slanderer”), the one whom Jesus Christ called “the father of the lie.”—John 8:44.

 

number one: God wont do anything to hurt you, and by SINNING you go to hell, however God does not send you to hell God does not make you go to hell, You choose hell by sinning, freewill remember. And the second part of that same question, Living a Godly life is not about SERVING God, God has the angels to serve Him God wants you to love him just like he loves you, if you love him you dont sin its that easy.

Part number 2: Im glad you know that Jesus died for you and that you believe in God. Once again i refer to the fact there are oodles of peole who say they are a chritian but if they are teaching hypocrasy then they are not christ like therefore they are not really christians. If you were part of a scion club wich you are and you drive a scion, and i dont (even though i do this is just for this examle.) I cant say scions suck they are the worst driving vehicles and all of the scion people say that, no one likes there scion, they die after a few weeks of owning it. this is not true and i cant say that because i dont own a scion(in the example) Many people say this and that about christianity and they might say they are christians but really until they are christ like then they are not christians they are just on a journey to become christ like.

And if you have done more research then me then you obviously are not looking in the right places, you are researching why people think christianity is false, not why it is true, there is an answer for any question. God doesnt make mistakes everything in the bible is correct.

and as far as using paragraphs im sorry, i was trying to answer questions fast because i was in the middle of a job. If this was a research paper i would be much more careful.

 

Once again, Im not saying God makes mistakes. People Do. Read the reply before your last one. Explain to me why we go to hell if

Rom. 6:23: “The wages sin pays is death.”

Ecclesiastes 9:5: "For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten."

Rom. 6:7: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”

Im explaining my beliefs with Biblical references, you are bringing up childrens books. If you honestly want people to believe as you, PLEASE use the bible. Not the Chronicles of Narnia. For the Love of God, please do not bring up that book again.

 

But God must of created Hell right? He must have installed Satan as the Ruler of Hell. Hence, Satan and God working together right?

 

What about the dozens of gospels that didn't make it into the Bible to begin with? You say "read the Bible, it's all in there", problem is, you may as well say "just look in The Chronicles of Narnia, it's all in there." Oh wait, you've already said that......

Can I quote The Stand to prove a different view? And then anytime I'm called to task on a given issue, use the circular proof of citing the same source over and over again? Probably not. But yet, that's what Christians do.

In order for the Bible to make sense to someone, that someone has to first believe that it is the word of God, and that's where I have the disconnect. I don't believe it His word, in any shape form or fashion. Know why? Because there are several versions that contridict each other, you and Krusty are arguing this very same point right now. They can't all be the same word now can they? So am I just to choose the one that fits with what I was taught since birth (some may refer to this as "brainwashing", or the one that more fits with what I think now?

 

the last two posts^ were completely stupid. You guys just want to argue now, as far as the wages of sin is death, yeah, you sin you go to hell "death" what is your confusion.

and scionofpcfl show me a contradiction in the bible and i will gladly show you why its not a contradiction. Once again you refer to "christians" in general but as i said there are millions of people who say they are christians but the amount of them who are actually "christ like" is a lot fewer, Yes there are some people who say they are chritians that are wrong, but there are a lot of people who say a lot of things that they really dont know. if you had a special club i could say to people i was part of that club and i could tell them things that are not true about the club and they would probably believe me if they didnt know the truth about it, same with christianity anyone can say "im a christian, i watch the god chanel, and i even go to church everyonce in a while" but that doesnt mean they really have a clue about who christ is. To me it sounds like most of you on this thread have a problem with "christians" more then you have a problem with christ, and that really sucks, because i know whatever the reason you dont like christianity jesus didnt do anything to make it that way.

what the heck i used narnia as an expamle i was actually refering to the movie narnia wich came out a year ago or two, and i was just saying this might be a easier way to understand a certain question one of you asked me, actually it was jenna and i was letting her know that it was a good movie for her to watch plus she has three kids(i assume by her photos) and i think they would probably enjoy it.

Im sorry about whatever bad experiences you had with narnia but get over it!

 

btw happy birthday krusty

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

You agree that the wages sin pays is death, yet you say we go to hell becaused we sin. YOU CAN NOT AGREE WITH ME IF YOU SAY WE GO TO HELL IF WE SIN!!!

 

Happy Birthday, KTC, and enjoy hell

 

Im going to LOVE IT! My brain is hurting trying to comprehend this.

 

I have zero doubt that you have a perfectly "reasonable" explaination as to why yours is right, and all the others are wrong.

 

I'm confused with how people say the Devil is a ruler of hell. Please give me scripture to support that. The Bible says that the devil and his demons will be tormented in Hell for all eternity. So no, the devil isn't ruler of Hell.s, where does the bible say that satan is the ruler of hell? it was made for his suffering, not for him to rule over on a throne...

 

Show me a scripture where god created Hell. The "biblcal" hell with fire and demons and people being tortured for their sins that were forgiven when they died.

 

Well, In Luke 16:19-31 is the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Basically, Lazarus is a poor man who suffers during life. The rich man is, of course, rich. They both die. The rich man goes to Hades. Lazarus goes to Abraham's bosom, another term for paradise. In Hades, the rich man lifts up his eyes and sees Lazarus far off. He cries out to Abraham and asks for mercy because he is in agony in flame. Abraham says no. Then the rich man asks if someone from the dead were to rise and go tell his brothers not to come to this terrible place. Abraham teaches him that that will not be done either.
Some say that this is a parable. However, if it is, it is unique because no other parable actually names a person. It isn't a story. It is history. It really happened. But many who believe in no consciousness after death will say it is still a parable. The question then is, if it is? What is it teaching? If hell fire is false and if self-awareness after death is also false, then Jesus is using false doctrines to teach a truth. Parables illustrate truth. If it is a parable what does the consciousness after death symbolize? Also, what does the agony in flame symbolize? Are they not real? Of course they are.



Below is a copy/paste from a Christian website, i'm familiar with these verses, but don't have time to look up each one and type them out for you:

Unquenchable Fire
Matt. 3:12 "And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

Fiery Hell
Matt. 5:22, "whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." See also, Matt. 5:29,30.

Fiery Hell
Matt. 18:8-9, "And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire. 9"And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out, and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into the fiery hell."

Eternal Fire
Matt. 25:41, "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

Eternal Punishment
Matt. 25:46, "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
The word 'eternal' in both places is "aionios" which means 1)without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be; 2)without beginning; 3)without end, never to cease, everlasting. The word 'punishment' is the word kolasis and it means "to punish, with the implication of resulting severe suffering - 'to punish, punishment.'"(5)

Eternal Fire
Jude 7, "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."

Lake of Fire
Rev. 20:15, "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

The wicked descend alive into Sheol
Num. 16:30, "But if the Lord brings about an entirely new thing and the ground opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that is theirs, and they descend alive into Sheol, then you will understand that these men have spurned the Lord . . . 33So they and all that belonged to them went down alive to Sheol; and the earth closed over them, and they perished from the midst of the assembly."

Cast to outer darkness with weeping and gnashing of teeth
Matt. 8:12, "but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Those cast into the fire suffer consciously
Matt. 13:41-42, "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will cast them into the furnace of fire; in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” See also Matt. 13:50.

Cast into a tormenting fire
Rev. 14:9-11, "And another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, 10he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."” See also, Rev. 21:8.

If you want anything more specific, let me know, but these should be sufficient I think...

Jeff

 

P.S. The request you make is impossible, Those who's sins are forgiven do not go to hell, but Heaven....where does the bible say that peoples sins are forgiven when they die and then they go to hell?

 

Im not saying the bible does say that. That was kinda directed at nameless ak, who constantly references Chronicles of Narnia, instead of using the bible.

He agreed that when you die, youre sins are forgiven, but if you sin, you go to hell. The guys loco.