scionofPCFL

Absolutely. And I guarantee you that noone is going into negotiations not knowing the other's language. At least nobody with any chance of landing the best deal for their party.

evilBOXevil

Speaking of immigration reform...
I think its horrible that our government still has different standards for different kinds of people based on religion, or a political basis. They make an easier "guest worker" program for Mexican or south american people, but someone from Japan is still going to have a hard time even getting a student visa...it's even harder for them after 911(you know, because of all those Japanese terrorists).
People may march and "unite" for their glorious workers demonstration, but if two guys are caught in the US illegaly- Pedro Garcia from Mexico, and Tran pac from Vietnam- who do you think is going to have the harder time? Before and after the united socialist workers march, I'm sure Pedro still had a much better time with the INS than Tran pac would.
Did you know that a jewish syrian national can become a US citizen after spending 24 hours in the US?

Maicca

English WILL be the first universal language, based upon it's adaptability and flexibility. Already, in MANY international circles, if you have two people meeting who have their native tongues and English, they will converse in English - however broken it may be.

Scott17

Subject: illegal immigrants
June 1, 2006

The flood of American liberals sneaking across the border into Canada
has intensified in the past week, sparking calls for increased patrols
to stop illegal immigration. The actions of President Bush are
prompting the exodus among left-leaning citizens who fear they'll soon
be required to hunt on weekends, say grace before meals, and listen to
Bill O'Reilly.

Canadian border farmers say it's not uncommon to see dozens
of sociology professors, animal-rights activists and Unitarians
crossing their fields at night.

"I went out to milk the cows the other day, and there was a Hollywood
producer huddled in the barn," said Manitoba farmer Red Greenfield,
whose acreage borders North Dakota. The producer was cold, exhausted
and hungry. "He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range
chicken. When I said I didn't have any, he left. I didn't even get a
chance to show him my screenplay, eh?"

In an effort to stop the illegal immigrants, Greenfield erected higher
fences, but the liberals scaled them. So he tried installing speakers
that blare Rush Limbaugh across the fields. "Not real effective," he
said. "The liberals still got through, and Rush annoyed the cows so
much they wouldn't give milk."

Officials are particularly concerned about smugglers who meet liberals
near the Canadian border, pack them into Volvo station wagons, drive
them across the border and leave them to fend for themselves.

"A lot of these people are not prepared for rugged conditions," an
Ontario border patrolman said. "I found one carload without a drop of
drinking water. "They did have a nice bottle of Napa Valley cabernet,
though."

When American liberal illegals are caught, they're sent back across the
border, often wailing loudly that they fear retribution from the Bush
administration. Rumors have been circulating in the liberal community
that the Dept. of Homeland Security has established re-education camps
in which liberals are forced to drink domestic beer and watch NASCAR
races.

In recent days, some liberals have turned to some ingenious ways of
crossing the border. Some are posing as senior citizens on bus trips to
buy cheap Canadian prescription drugs. After catching a half-dozen
young vegans disguised in powdered wigs, Canadian immigration
authorities have begun stopping buses and quizzing the supposed
senior-citizen passengers on Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney hits to
prove they were alive in the 1950's.

"If they can't identify the accordion player on The Lawrence
Welk Show, we get suspicious," an official said. Canadian citizens
have complained that the illegal immigrants are creating an
organic-broccoli shortage and renting all the good Susan Sarandon
movies. "I feel sorry for American liberals, but the Canadian economy
just can't support them," an Ottawa resident said. "How many art
history majors does one country need?"

In an effort to ease tensions between the United States and Canada,
Vice President Dick Cheney met with the Canadian ambassador and pledged
that the Bush administration would take steps to reassure American
liberals, a source close to Cheney said. "We're going to host a Peter,
Paul and Mary concert at the White House. And we might put an
endangered species or two on some postage stamps. The President is
determined to reach out," he said

evilBOXevil

^^^ . Good stuff.

evilBOXevil

evilBOXevil

Scott17 is right. Also, what's not being said openly is that most Mexicans DO believe it is their birthright to come here. What isn't being said publicly, is that a majority of the illegal people in this country live under the idea that this land was once their property, and that they are her to regain it.


Right on, man.
If you went to live in Canada, with the intention of making it a part of the US- you would wave your stars and stripes every change you could, and you'd call yourself an American-canadian, because you have no real intention of becoming part of a society that you see as being responsible for your problems.

Again, it's because they want any chance to rail against the evil American system that they believe is the cause of all of their (themselves and Mexico's) problems.
They look at any major city in the southwestern US, and they believe that this is something that once belonged to them- and they want it back. You're right to say it's ignorant. it's ignorant, because these people believe that this wealth and prosperity is some kind of magical force that is attached to a geographical location.
They see a modern city here, and they believe that it was rightfully theirs. They think these cities popped up out of the land- without any consideration for the kind of society, or system required to make these things function.
None of the great spirits, Inca/Mayan/Aztec gods, The Catholic church, or any of the other Mexican worshipped ideas had anything to do with these things coming into existence. These things came about because of an ideology and system of living that is still foreign in Mexico, and, from what we've seen recently-also to its people.
They believe they will get it back for Mexico.
This is why idiots on here keep referring to the blame for Native american suffering. White Americans are responsible for Mexico's problems? How? We don't spend enough when we visit Cancun?!! The caucasian-american population of Mexico is relatively small, I think.
Why not fix the country you are SOOOooo proud of? What..your house gets dirty, so you move out- instead of cleaning up the crap?
Every day, I see at least one idiot walking around with a "hecho en mexico" T-shirt on. If it's that big of a deal-why are you here? "I'm so so proud of my third world country that I abandoned it for money." <<-That's what I see when I look at these shirts.
Nobody stops to realize that THEY have got to change, Not the USA.
Dream on. This will never be part of Mexico.

Tomas

(Just as an aside, for those who believe the Southwestern US should be 'given back' to Mexico, if that were ever to happen, I would hope that it were 'given back' in exactly the condition it was in the last time Mexico 'owned' it - 90% unlivable desert with no cities, utilities, or water piped in from outside that area. They can make their own 'improvements' on the property - or pay market value for those improvements - roughly 4 times the total worth of Mexico...)

They want it not as the vast wasteland it was when they gave it up, but with all the improvements - in fact it is really the improvements they want - and those improvements are not a part of the land, they are the value added by the people living there and the country they arre a part of.

If it were just the land, why isn't there a Los Angles or San Diego, or 29 Palms, or whatever, just across the border in Mexico? Why can't Mexico do it? They started out at the same place 300 years ago... I suggest that the results of the last 300 years of work, starting from essentially 'zero,' show the differences between the two countries more than any words can.

Tom

Scott17

vegasdriver

Agree on last 3 posts!

However, if their numbers take over, then we would have done all the work for them to enjoy, think about it!

TimmyT

The united states is the main reason why most of Mexico's people (i say most, cause some still do) don't live in Mud houses.

3rd world country, next to the world superpower. Its a parasite. Thats harsh I know, but thats exactly what it is. It benefits, and the host suffers.

Flecs

so frickin true! /\ /\ /\

vegasdriver

It could be true, but once they take over and want you to conform in their ways and speak spanish, then guess what?
They win!

evilBOXevil

Never gonna happen.


"We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works."
--- Alfredo Gutierrez, political consultant, as quoted by Richard de Uriarte, The Phoenix Gazette, March 14, 1992 (quoted in The ProEnglish Advocate, 1st quarter, 2002).

Armando Navarro, Prof. Ethnic Studies, UC Riverside at Latino Summit Response to Prop 187, UC Riverside, 1/1995
"These are the critical years for us as a Latino community. We're in a state of transition. And that transformation is called 'the browning of America'. Latinos are now becoming the majority. Because I know that time and history is on the side of the Chicano/Latino community. It is changing in the future and in the present the balance of power of this nation. It's a game - it's a game of power - who controls it. You (to MEChA students) are like the generals that command armies. We're in a state of war. This Proposition 187 is a declaration of war against the Latino/Chicano community of this country. They know the demographics. They know that history and time is on our side. As one community, as one people, as one nation within a nation as the community that we are, the Chicano/Latino community of this nation. What this means is a transfer of power. It means control."

Art Torres, former CA state senator, currently Chair of California Democrat Party at UC Riverside 1/1995
"Que viva la causa! It is an honor to be with the new leadership of the Americas, here meeting at UC Riverside. So with 187 on the ballot, what is it going to take for our people to vote - to see us walking into the gas ovens? It is electoral power that is going to make the determination of where we go as a community. And power is not given to you -- you have to take it. Remember: 187 is the last gasp of white America in California. Understand that. And people say to me on the Senate floor when I was in the Senate, 'Why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs?' And I tell my white colleagues, 'because you're going to need them.'"

I will post some more quotes from Prominent "latino leaders IN AMERICA, since there are those out there who think I'm being Paranoid or silly.

evilBOXevil

Jose Angel Gutierrez, Prof. Univ. Texas at Arlington, founder La Raza Unida Party at UC Riverside 1/1995:

"The border remains a military zone. We remain a hunted people. Now you think you have a destiny to fulfill in the land that historically has been ours for forty thousand years. And we're a new Mestizo nation. And they want us to discuss civil rights. Civil rights. What law made by white men to oppress all of us of color, female and male. This is our homeland. We cannot - we will not- and we must not be made illegal in our own homeland. We are not immigrants that came from another country to another country. We are migrants, free to travel the length and breadth of the Americas because we belong here. We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population."
Still think we don't need to fix our border problems?

evilBOXevil

For anyone in California:

Mario Obledo, founding member/former national director of Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), former CA Secretary Health/Welfare on Tom Leikus radio talk show
"We're going to take over all the political institutions in California. In five years the Hispanics are going to be the majority population of this state." Caller: "You also made the statement that California is going to become a Hispanic state and if anyone doesn't like it they should leave - did you say that?" Obledo: "I did. They ought to go back to Europe."
Mario Obledo
CCIR commentary on Mario Obledo: When CCIR, the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, erected a billboard on the California/Arizona border reading, "WELCOME TO CALIFORNIA, THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION STATE", Mario Obledo, infuriated, went to the billboard location and threatened to blow it up or burn it down. Even after this threat to deny American citizens their freedom of speech, President Clinton awarded Obledo the Presidential Medal of Freedom, America's highest civilian honor. CCIR question to Obledo: "Jose Angel Gutierrez said, 'We have an aging white America, they are dying, I love it.' How would you translate that statement?" Obledo: "He's a good friend of mine. A very smart person."

Richard Alatorre, former Los Angeles City Councilman at Latino Summit conference in Los Angeles opposing CA Prop. 209 ending affirmative action in 9/1996
"Because our numbers are growing, they're afraid about this great mass of minorities that now live in our community. They're afraid that we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They are right, we will take them over, and we are not going to go away - we are here to stay, and we are saying 'ya basta' (enough!) and we are going to turn... and de... not elect or re-elect people that believe that they are going to advance their political careers on the backs of immigrants and the backs of minorities."

Augustin Cebada, Information Minister of Brown Berets, militant para-military soldiers of Aztlan shouting at U.S. citizens at an Independence Day rally in Los Angeles, 7/4/96
"Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets, we're here today to show L.A., show the minority people here, the Anglo-Saxons, that we are here, the majority, we're here to stay. We do the work in this city, we take care of the spoiled brat children, we clean their offices, we pick the food, we do the manufacturing in the factories of L.A., we are the majority here and we are not going to be pushed around. We're here in Westwood, this is the fourth time we've been here in the last two months, to show white Anglo-Saxon Protestant L.A., the few of you who remain, that we are the majority, and we claim this land as ours, it's always been ours, and we're still here, and none of the talk about deporting. If anyone's going to be deported it's going to be you! Go back to Simi Valley, you skunks! Go back to Woodland Hills! Go back to Boston! To back to the Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You're old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you, leave like beaten rats. You old white people, it is your duty to die. Even their own ethicists say that they should die, that they have a duty to die. They're taking up too much space, too much air. We are the majority in L.A. There's over seven million Mexicans in L.A. County alone. We are the majority. And you're going to see every day more and more of it, as we manifest as our young people grow up, graduate from high school, go on to college and start taking over this society. The vast majority of our people are under the age of 15 years old. Right now we're already controlling those elections, whether it's by violence or nonviolence. Through love of having children we're going to take over." Other demonstrators: "Raza fuerza (brown race power), this is Aztlan, this is Mexico. They're the pilgrims on our land. Go back to the Nina, the Pinta, the Santa Maria."

evilBOXevil

Sorry for all the long posts, but these are quotes form the "leaders" of those "people who just want a chance" for a life in America.

Did you know that the Mexican government not only allows, but promotes dual citizenship?

Ernesto Zedillo, former president of Mexico announcing the Mexican constitutional amendment allowing for dual citizenship on 6/23/97
"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican national extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders, and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important part of it. For that reason my government proposed a constitutional amendment to allow any Mexican with the right as he desires to acquire another nationality to do so without being forced to first give up his or her Mexican nationality. Fortunately, the amendment was passed almost unanimously by our federal Congress and is now part of our constitution. I am also here today to tell you that we want you to take pride in what each and every one of your Mexican brothers and sisters are doing back home.

Why wouldn't they support it? 70% of all Western union fund transfers are from money going straight to Mexico!

They have no concept of America at all, they refuse to recognize it as valid, and this is why they don't have any regard for our laws.
So when certain people make comments about putting up razor wire fences and machine gun towers along the border---maybe they're not so crazy, or so racist.
Obviously, if you are not latino-or in total support of all things latino- you will be labeled as racist by these people.
Something really needs to be done. This agenda leads to the death of individual freedom and dignity...for Americans, and for them.

Scott17

Mexicans belong in Mexico.

Maicca

IIRC, if you are sworn in as a citizen of the USA, you MUST renounce any and all other citizenships you may have- it doesn't matter what the other countries laws are, because they are asking the US for its support.

Which is why many foreigners just stay with the green-card, because citizenship really only grants them access to certain jobs and to vote.

vegasdriver

By reading above articles, I wonder how ugly can this get?