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03-31-2006, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott17
Spoken like a true liberal without much experience under his belt.
03-31-2006, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
Oh and just in case you idiots forgot... We are a country of immigrants. We always have been since colonial times. You think everyone spoke the same language when they first arrived here hundreds of years ago? People from all over Europe came here looking for the same thing that the immigrants of today are looking for... opportunity. So case freakin closed on that one.
Some of you people need to put yourself in the other person's shoes for once. Most of you all (including myself) have been fortunate enough to be born here in America. Imagine being born in a third world country where you risk starvation and other injustices. I'm sure you'd be on the first boat/van/raft/truck over here. I can't believe how ill informed some of you people are.
Some of you people need to put yourself in the other person's shoes for once. Most of you all (including myself) have been fortunate enough to be born here in America. Imagine being born in a third world country where you risk starvation and other injustices. I'm sure you'd be on the first boat/van/raft/truck over here. I can't believe how ill informed some of you people are.
Our language evolves, but it is most decidedly American. It is a mixture of everything. That's why I refuse to call it english. We have french, spanish, german, italian, english, et al... in our language. Insisting that our language doesn't exist is not only sophomoric, but it's without basis. You apparently seem to be the misinformed one.
03-31-2006, 07:01 PM
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^^ I have no idea how anyone can argue with that statment. Well said. 
03-31-2006, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by xlr8tC
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
Oh and just in case you idiots forgot... We are a country of immigrants. We always have been since colonial times. You think everyone spoke the same language when they first arrived here hundreds of years ago? People from all over Europe came here looking for the same thing that the immigrants of today are looking for... opportunity. So case freakin closed on that one.
Some of you people need to put yourself in the other person's shoes for once. Most of you all (including myself) have been fortunate enough to be born here in America. Imagine being born in a third world country where you risk starvation and other injustices. I'm sure you'd be on the first boat/van/raft/truck over here. I can't believe how ill informed some of you people are.
Some of you people need to put yourself in the other person's shoes for once. Most of you all (including myself) have been fortunate enough to be born here in America. Imagine being born in a third world country where you risk starvation and other injustices. I'm sure you'd be on the first boat/van/raft/truck over here. I can't believe how ill informed some of you people are.
Our language evolves, but it is most decidedly American. It is a mixture of everything. That's why I refuse to call it english. We have french, spanish, german, italian, english, et al... in our language. Insisting that our language doesn't exist is not only sophomoric, but it's without basis. You apparently seem to be the misinformed one.
03-31-2006, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
Oh by the way... For all you conservative flag-wavers out there... It's BUSH that wants to grant amnesty to the illegal immigrants.
03-31-2006, 07:19 PM
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[quote="Kilo6_one"]
Have you ever considered WHY he (and his ilk) wants to grant amnesty?
Its so the rich can continue to get richer on the backs of illegal aliens. And in my opinion, that is exactly why amnesity will be coming to an illegal near you. It has nothing to do with border security or any of that jive.....it is about what EVERYTHING is ALWAYS about...money.
And here on Cesar Chavez day, I wonder how many people REALLY understand what he was about. The reason why thirty years ago United Farm Workers' Union (UFW) founder Caesar Chávez fought against illegal immigration, and the UFW turned in illegals during his tenure as president, was because Chávez, like progressives since the 1870s, understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability.
As Wikipedia notes: "In 1969, Chávez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valley to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of illegal aliens as temporary replacement workers during a strike. Joining him on the march were both the Reverend Ralph Abernathy and U.S. Senator Walter Mondale. Chávez and the UFW would often report suspected illegal aliens who served as temporary replacement workers as well as who refused to unionize to the INS."
It is a simple equation: More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.
I am sick of hearing about this crap about "Americans wont do the jobs illegals do".
Do a little math. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 7.6 million unemployed Americans right now. Another 1.5 million Americans are no longer counted because they've become "long term" or "discouraged" unemployed workers. And although various groups have different ways of measuring it, most agree that at least another five to ten million Americans are either working part-time when they want to work full-time, or are "underemployed," doing jobs below their level of training, education, or experience. That's between eight and twenty million un- and under-employed Americans, many unable to find above-poverty-level work.
At the same time, there are between seven and fifteen million working illegal immigrants diluting our labor pool.
If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
Oh by the way... For all you conservative flag-wavers out there... It's BUSH that wants to grant amnesty to the illegal immigrants.
Its so the rich can continue to get richer on the backs of illegal aliens. And in my opinion, that is exactly why amnesity will be coming to an illegal near you. It has nothing to do with border security or any of that jive.....it is about what EVERYTHING is ALWAYS about...money.
And here on Cesar Chavez day, I wonder how many people REALLY understand what he was about. The reason why thirty years ago United Farm Workers' Union (UFW) founder Caesar Chávez fought against illegal immigration, and the UFW turned in illegals during his tenure as president, was because Chávez, like progressives since the 1870s, understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability.
As Wikipedia notes: "In 1969, Chávez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valley to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of illegal aliens as temporary replacement workers during a strike. Joining him on the march were both the Reverend Ralph Abernathy and U.S. Senator Walter Mondale. Chávez and the UFW would often report suspected illegal aliens who served as temporary replacement workers as well as who refused to unionize to the INS."
It is a simple equation: More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.
I am sick of hearing about this crap about "Americans wont do the jobs illegals do".
Do a little math. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 7.6 million unemployed Americans right now. Another 1.5 million Americans are no longer counted because they've become "long term" or "discouraged" unemployed workers. And although various groups have different ways of measuring it, most agree that at least another five to ten million Americans are either working part-time when they want to work full-time, or are "underemployed," doing jobs below their level of training, education, or experience. That's between eight and twenty million un- and under-employed Americans, many unable to find above-poverty-level work.
At the same time, there are between seven and fifteen million working illegal immigrants diluting our labor pool.
If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.
03-31-2006, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
You know the thing is... If the incentives for illegal immigrants were taken away, then there wouldn't be illegal immigration. Instead of punishing the illegal immigrants, the people in America who brought them here, or are hiring them should be punished.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
Don't you DARE try to compare an Illegal immigrant from Mexico to Slavery....That is the most OBSURD comparison I have ever heard. Obviously you are not black, so you make a stupid comaprsion like that. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HITTING THE MARK buddy.
03-31-2006, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kilo6_one
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
Oh by the way... For all you conservative flag-wavers out there... It's BUSH that wants to grant amnesty to the illegal immigrants.
The vote, on an amendment from Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), was the first of a series that would push the Senate in the next week to consider a guest-worker program and plans that would give permanent legal status to the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants now here.
In a heated demonstration of the GOP's rifts over immigration, conservative House members held a news conference to denounce any lawmaker who supported citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Legislation approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee would create a path for illegal immigrants to gain permanent legal status or citizenship. Critics say that would provide amnesty to those who had broken U.S. law.
In a heated demonstration of the GOP's rifts over immigration, conservative House members held a news conference to denounce any lawmaker who supported citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Legislation approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee would create a path for illegal immigrants to gain permanent legal status or citizenship. Critics say that would provide amnesty to those who had broken U.S. law.
03-31-2006, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
You know the thing is... If the incentives for illegal immigrants were taken away, then there wouldn't be illegal immigration. Instead of punishing the illegal immigrants, the people in America who brought them here, or are hiring them should be punished.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
Don't you DARE try to compare an Illegal immigrant from Mexico to Slavery....That is the most OBSURD comparison I have ever heard. Obviously you are not black, so you make a stupid comaprsion like that. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HITTING THE MARK buddy.
You missed the main point of that post. Slavery is a far different matter. I was just saying that people looked the other way when this was going on. White Americans brought the Africans to the United States. When slavery was abolished, blacks were looking for their rights and they were SHUNNED. Illegal immigrants are being brought into the United States all the time. There are incentives given, by American businesses, to come here and work illegally. Now there are millions of illegal immigrants, many perhaps who are looking to become citizens one day, and they are being shunned and saying they should all be sent back to where they came from.
Right away, someone takes my post the wrong way and it strikes a chord.
btw, how do you know I'm not black? Did I mention that somewhere? Do you have a picture of me somewhere? Am I too articulate to be black? You don't know jack.
03-31-2006, 08:25 PM
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I don't know what color you are but you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you are 19 years old! 
Somehow you have become an expert in the political arena and yet you're not old enough to drink a beer! Got the tiger by the tail, don't ya..........
Somehow you have become an expert in the political arena and yet you're not old enough to drink a beer! Got the tiger by the tail, don't ya..........
03-31-2006, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
You know the thing is... If the incentives for illegal immigrants were taken away, then there wouldn't be illegal immigration. Instead of punishing the illegal immigrants, the people in America who brought them here, or are hiring them should be punished.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
Don't you DARE try to compare an Illegal immigrant from Mexico to Slavery....That is the most OBSURD comparison I have ever heard. Obviously you are not black, so you make a stupid comaprsion like that. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HITTING THE MARK buddy.
You missed the main point of that post. Slavery is a far different matter. I was just saying that people looked the other way when this was going on. White Americans brought the Africans to the United States. When slavery was abolished, blacks were looking for their rights and they were SHUNNED. Illegal immigrants are being brought into the United States all the time. There are incentives given, by American businesses, to come here and work illegally. Now there are millions of illegal immigrants, many perhaps who are looking to become citizens one day, and they are being shunned and saying they should all be sent back to where they came from.
Right away, someone takes my post the wrong way and it strikes a chord.
btw, how do you know I'm not black? Did I mention that somewhere? Do you have a picture of me somewhere? Am I too articulate to be black? You don't know jack.
I don't care what your point was. The SHEAR SIMPLE FACT that you TRIED to make a point by trying to cross reference Slavery (as if there was any relation between it and the current situation) tells me that you are not black. And if you were, then sir I would advise you to trace back your roots. And I'm not talking about some crack pot history book from your Highschool class being taught by a crappy gym teacher. There is NO.....I REPEAT....NO, correlation/relationship/similarity/common ground......WHATEVER word you choose that would somehow tie Slavery with the current situation of people coming here illegally.
Drop it now, cause I can almost gaurantee that no one will EVER by that sad attempt to justify illegal aliens feeding off the system by trying to tie it with Slavery.
So, do me a favor and drop that now, because I will bust a blood vessle in my head from replying to your lack of educational post, and the mods will step in and lock this thing down. So, please, find another point to use.
03-31-2006, 09:04 PM
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On another note. There should be an option to Send them all back home except for the bad a$$ hispanic chicks that call their mens Papi during sex... 
03-31-2006, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ISmokeGuys
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
You know the thing is... If the incentives for illegal immigrants were taken away, then there wouldn't be illegal immigration. Instead of punishing the illegal immigrants, the people in America who brought them here, or are hiring them should be punished.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
Don't you DARE try to compare an Illegal immigrant from Mexico to Slavery....That is the most OBSURD comparison I have ever heard. Obviously you are not black, so you make a stupid comaprsion like that. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HITTING THE MARK buddy.
You missed the main point of that post. Slavery is a far different matter. I was just saying that people looked the other way when this was going on. White Americans brought the Africans to the United States. When slavery was abolished, blacks were looking for their rights and they were SHUNNED. Illegal immigrants are being brought into the United States all the time. There are incentives given, by American businesses, to come here and work illegally. Now there are millions of illegal immigrants, many perhaps who are looking to become citizens one day, and they are being shunned and saying they should all be sent back to where they came from.
Right away, someone takes my post the wrong way and it strikes a chord.
btw, how do you know I'm not black? Did I mention that somewhere? Do you have a picture of me somewhere? Am I too articulate to be black? You don't know jack.
I don't care what your point was. The SHEAR SIMPLE FACT that you TRIED to make a point by trying to cross reference Slavery (as if there was any relation between it and the current situation) tells me that you are not black. And if you were, then sir I would advise you to trace back your roots. And I'm not talking about some crack pot history book from your Highschool class being taught by a crappy gym teacher. There is NO.....I REPEAT....NO, correlation/relationship/similarity/common ground......WHATEVER word you choose that would somehow tie Slavery with the current situation of people coming here illegally.
Drop it now, cause I can almost gaurantee that no one will EVER by that sad attempt to justify illegal aliens feeding off the system by trying to tie it with Slavery.
So, do me a favor and drop that now, because I will bust a blood vessle in my head from replying to your lack of educational post, and the mods will step in and lock this thing down. So, please, find another point to use.
Junior has just enough education to articulatly expound upon his ignorance.
04-01-2006, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ISmokeGuys
On another note. There should be an option to Send them all back home except for the bad a$$ hispanic chicks that call their mens Papi during sex...
04-01-2006, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott17
I don't know what color you are but you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you are 19 years old! Somehow you have become an expert in the political arena and yet you're not old enough to drink a beer! Got the tiger by the tail, don't ya..........
Somehow you have become an expert in the political arena and yet you're not old enough to drink a beer! Got the tiger by the tail, don't ya..........
04-01-2006, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ISmokeGuys
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by BSP_5c10n
You know the thing is... If the incentives for illegal immigrants were taken away, then there wouldn't be illegal immigration. Instead of punishing the illegal immigrants, the people in America who brought them here, or are hiring them should be punished.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
It's similar (although not exact) to the situation of African-Americans and slavery. Very few people had a problem with Africans being brought to the United States as slaves. However, once the abolitionist movement succeeded, these slaves were made free. No longer slaves, yet were denied the rights enjoyed by white Americans. Once they began to speak up during the Civil Rights movement, people had a problem with it. It's almost as if many of you are willing to look the other way when it comes to injustices in the world, until you feel threatened by it. It seems that you wouldn't have a problem with Mexicans being brought into the U.S. illegally, as long as you didn't have to "pay your tax money" for it.
Now, to refute any argument stating "Oh but the blacks were forced into coming here. The Mexicans are coming here on there own. It's different." Let me just say I am aware of this, however let me ask you this: If you were making 5 dollars a day in Mexico versus 60 across the border, wouldn't you feel almost forced to leave your country to find a job with enough pay to feed your family? I think you would.
Of course, you'd be okay with all this. Heck, they're doing the jobs you don't want to do. It's okay as long as you don't have to foot the bill for it. It's like "Well it doesn't affect me, so whatever." Well, now millions of illegals currently reside in the U.S., and now you feel it's affecting you. Well it's too late. And who is to blame? Not the illegal immigrants, but those who hired them and gave them incentive to come here.
Don't you DARE try to compare an Illegal immigrant from Mexico to Slavery....That is the most OBSURD comparison I have ever heard. Obviously you are not black, so you make a stupid comaprsion like that. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HITTING THE MARK buddy.
You missed the main point of that post. Slavery is a far different matter. I was just saying that people looked the other way when this was going on. White Americans brought the Africans to the United States. When slavery was abolished, blacks were looking for their rights and they were SHUNNED. Illegal immigrants are being brought into the United States all the time. There are incentives given, by American businesses, to come here and work illegally. Now there are millions of illegal immigrants, many perhaps who are looking to become citizens one day, and they are being shunned and saying they should all be sent back to where they came from.
Right away, someone takes my post the wrong way and it strikes a chord.
btw, how do you know I'm not black? Did I mention that somewhere? Do you have a picture of me somewhere? Am I too articulate to be black? You don't know jack.
I don't care what your point was. The SHEAR SIMPLE FACT that you TRIED to make a point by trying to cross reference Slavery (as if there was any relation between it and the current situation) tells me that you are not black. And if you were, then sir I would advise you to trace back your roots. And I'm not talking about some crack pot history book from your Highschool class being taught by a crappy gym teacher. There is NO.....I REPEAT....NO, correlation/relationship/similarity/common ground......WHATEVER word you choose that would somehow tie Slavery with the current situation of people coming here illegally.
Drop it now, cause I can almost gaurantee that no one will EVER by that sad attempt to justify illegal aliens feeding off the system by trying to tie it with Slavery.
So, do me a favor and drop that now, because I will bust a blood vessle in my head from replying to your lack of educational post, and the mods will step in and lock this thing down. So, please, find another point to use.
04-01-2006, 05:25 AM
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Ok well to conclude my arguments here, I think the real problem is the American companies that hire illegal immigrants and thus provide incentive for illegal immigration to continue. If businesses would stop hiring these illegal immigrants, then there would be no incentive to immigrate here, and therefore illegal immigration would cease. As far as the illegal immigrants that are here already, I believe that it's too late to "Send all dem damn wetbacks back to where dey came [sic]." There's millions of them here, and it would be too difficult and too costly to deport all of them. Therefore I have to agree that a more streamlined approach to legalizing these immigrants is in order, so they can enjoy the rights (and responsiblities) of any other hard-working American. I agree that illegal immigration is just that, illegal. However you must first understand that they didn't come here to steal our jobs and destroy our way of life. They came here to work hard and put food on the table for their families. It would be un-American NOT to support that idea.
04-01-2006, 06:09 AM
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^^^^
You are right in saying companies shouldn't seek illegal or recruit illegal immigrants for employment.
You are wrong in thinking that only the companies that do the employing benefit. Illegal immigrants have an EXPONENTIAL improvment in standards of living compared to their lives in mexico.
I personally was born in Korea, and am a citizen born abroad. My mother is korean and had to go through all the testing and red tape to get her citizenship in the US.
You think red tape and regulations on immigration to the US just popped up in the 80s under the Regan administration? Regulating immigration has been around since the 18th century.
If 100% of illegal immigrants benefitted the US in anyway this would not be an issue. If 50% of illegal immigrants were contributing to the economy or any other way influenced the standard of living in anyway, there would be less of an issue.
Employed Illegal immigrants bring down wages of other US citizens in the same job. Hurting the economy, forcing a larger percentage of people to enroll for government aid, Blowing up the population....
its kind of like the new-age medicines you see on television.
"Do you have a runny nose? Take Brand X medicine and you won't have a runny nose anymore!.... but you might get diarreah, neausia, dizzy spells, bloody nose, and runny nose... if runny nose persists for more than 4 days consult a physician."
You are right in saying companies shouldn't seek illegal or recruit illegal immigrants for employment.
You are wrong in thinking that only the companies that do the employing benefit. Illegal immigrants have an EXPONENTIAL improvment in standards of living compared to their lives in mexico.
I personally was born in Korea, and am a citizen born abroad. My mother is korean and had to go through all the testing and red tape to get her citizenship in the US.
You think red tape and regulations on immigration to the US just popped up in the 80s under the Regan administration? Regulating immigration has been around since the 18th century.
If 100% of illegal immigrants benefitted the US in anyway this would not be an issue. If 50% of illegal immigrants were contributing to the economy or any other way influenced the standard of living in anyway, there would be less of an issue.
Employed Illegal immigrants bring down wages of other US citizens in the same job. Hurting the economy, forcing a larger percentage of people to enroll for government aid, Blowing up the population....
its kind of like the new-age medicines you see on television.
"Do you have a runny nose? Take Brand X medicine and you won't have a runny nose anymore!.... but you might get diarreah, neausia, dizzy spells, bloody nose, and runny nose... if runny nose persists for more than 4 days consult a physician."
04-01-2006, 06:31 AM
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you fs are kinda racist.....ohh! (said in a kind of dice clay kind of voice).
sry, sometimes the tone is important.
sry, sometimes the tone is important.
04-01-2006, 10:11 AM
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Race has nothing to do with anything in these posts.
But nice to know where your head is.
These posts are about illegal immigrants (wich can be from any nation of any nationality and race).
But nice to know where your head is.
These posts are about illegal immigrants (wich can be from any nation of any nationality and race).