Skeorx13

Good lords is this stuff overpriced...
$400 for a 500GB HD? $140 at tigerdirect.com
As far as I can tell the NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 is for rendering. I'm not sure how it holds up for games and the likewise. The only options for graphics on this link is the 7300 GT's, Radeon x1900 xt, and the quadro. Hardly a large selection. And at $1650 for 512MB of memory on the quadro vs the 8800gtx's 768MB for $600 it hardly seems justified unless you render for a living. $2700 for 667MHz DDR2? I found 8GB of 1066MHz DDR2 for $1500. At least the Xeons seemed priced about right. Most of the things I've seen with the Xeons were servers though. The fibre channel card is server based as well.

Skeorx13

Haha Uh, yeah that's REALLY subjective.

Just answered part of my question right there. Who started doing the GUI interfaces first? Mac/apple or windows or linux? (honestly, I really don't know, I'm curious) And what new innovations has the Mac brought to the world? (now remember this is Mac not apple as a whole) Could you list a few things? I'm curious here as well. I will give you the "everything in one box that you don't have to crack open" argument on that one though. (other companies are doing that now too though, barebones and cube pc's etc.)

SciontCya

You guys and your "selection"
Fact is, we have fewer choices within a given category because what we DO have is great and I don't need 30 different disk repair programs, 20 paint programs, 12 anti-virus programs, etc.
We have great hardware and software.
I could go elsewhere for other hardware choices, but I rarely need to.
I don't buy all the bits form Apple always, we get some from vendors that indeed sell them for less.
Apple makes it simple (and you pay for it) to go to apple.com and buy what you need and have it dropped at your door.

You can say the same for anything in life that's above average. Cars, food, houses, you name it.

I live in a nice area.
I work in a great company/field.
I go to nice restaurants.
I wear nice clothing.
And I drive a cheap car to pay for everything else.
My tC is my PC I guess.
And in 4 years when my kids are out of school, and some things are paid off, I will get my Mac to drive.

I think it's played out.
I don't play games.
I like a reliable and top-notch computer.
I don't build my own.
I use Macs.

Cheers guys

Skeorx13

Well I'm almost half your age, so my salary is probably less than yours.
I rent (see age/salary above)
I'm in a union with awesome benefits.
I go to restaurants with good food and good service that aren't price gougers.
I wear nice clothes that aren't pointlessly overpriced.
I have a nice pinstripe suit. Cost = 0.
I drive a tC cuz it is inexpensive and well built and looks awesome amongst other things.
I occasionally play games.
I like building my own. (I'm a do it yourselfer)
I like not paying inflated prices for no reason.
I like stable, fast, highly modifiable and customizable computers. (the more options the better)
I use Linux PC's.

doctorcue

Hey man, I hear your arguement for Linux. Then again... how many mom's & dad's out there will buy a box to put Ubutnu or RedHat on it? Whenever I think of the average computer user, I ask "What would the In-Laws do?" That gives me all the answers I need.

scionofPCFL

Neither. It was first uncovered by Steve Jobs when he was touring a facility. I thought it was Texas Instruments, but tCya is saying it was Xerox. He's probably right on that one. Steve saw it, expressed his desire to know more, and then in 1984 the original Macintosh was unveiled. The dude who invented Linux was about 5 at the time.

Innovation is not subjective, it is clearly defined as taking an invention or several inventions, and using them in entirely new and exciting ways. And the innovation that Apple came up with is that when you boot up the computer, it should work and do what you want it to do in an intuitive manner without you having to memorize the commands to make it do so. There was also the innovation of multi-tasking that came with the Mac.

Skeorx13

Yeah I'll agree with you there. Ubuntu still isn't really in the most "user friendly" stage yet. It's getting there though. If all you need is web browsing, photo editing, and word processing it's great though. It still lags behind in multimedia unless you know what you are doing and where to look. Very little out of the box though (no mp3 support, few video files supported).

What aspect of multitasking exactly do you mean? Running multiple programs at once? I dunno about that, Windows seems to be the king of running 8 million pointless programs at once...

seattledave

true multitasking is very new to the mac os. until i got osx, I'd have say adobe indesign loading up 100meg+ files, and if during that process i wanted to switch to another program to even surf the web, i was SOL. sure maybe it done with that one process faster than a pc of similar specs would, but it forced me to wait. If anyone doubts that, go load up os 8 or 9, and try it out. Open a file so large it takes 30+ seconds and try and do something else. I've been able to do that with windows since '95'.

doctorcue

OS 8 or 9? Dave... c'mon man. Present day only. Maybe OS9 wasn't that great, but neither was Windows 98. Let's keep it somewhat relevent and limit the discussion to Win2000 and OS X 10.1 and newer.

SciontCya

I use Xubuntu. it's fun. Can it replace OS X? Nope, not on the desktop.

Classic Mac OSes were awful at memory protection.
Usually when one app froze, everything did and any unsaved work was gone.
That was five years+ ago Dave, so puh-lease.

Xerox/PARC was the inventor or the first usable GUI.
Apple bought it.

Apple did basically the same thing with the iPod.

And finally Skeorx13, I guarantee your salary is a fraction of mine, as was mine when I was your age.

I can buy a Suzuki that will match or beat a Ducati.
I'll take the Ducati.
I can get a suit at Three-day Suits, but I wear Armani.

I don't buy things because they're more expensive. I buy things I like and can afford, which is why I haven't cashed out my home equity, 401k, stocks, etc to buy a fancy car.

I love my tC, but i squarely own a low-end car compared to my (some of) colleagues and friends - most of which have no kids (yet)

What some of you PC guys are missing is that I run three OSes on my Macs.
You simply can't beat it.

iyzmi

^
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/in...llation_Guides

SciontCya

???

iyzmi

What do you not understand about the link? Windows can dual, triple, and even quad boot just like Mac can.

seattledave

I think that is for installing a Mac OS on a PC.

iyzmi

Yup.

seattledave

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost...

so... now, the argument is hardware only? Build your own or buy a prefab off the shelf (for 2x+ more)?

jpauletteUSAF

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....gi?u=macs_cant

Maddox hits the nail on the head, here

SciontCya

Most Marines I know use Macs, flyboys can't seem to figger 'em out.

jpauletteUSAF

Yeah? And most Marines I know are latent homosexuals.

Macs. ___.

Marines. Also ___.

Match made in heaven!

seattledave

are you saying the average air force pilot is dumber than the average marine?