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PC versus MAC
#161
Originally Posted by seattledave
Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost...
so... now, the argument is hardware only? Build your own or buy a prefab off the shelf (for 2x+ more)?
so... now, the argument is hardware only? Build your own or buy a prefab off the shelf (for 2x+ more)?
Seen these attempts at running OSX on Macs and it's pretty lousy in reality.
Anyway, yes, I'll pay whatever - and IF I had to actually pay for mine I still would, but I don't - it costs because it's a better tool for me.
It's not hardware only.
Running multiple OSes on my hardware/OS is a cinch.
I've already (this year alone) had ~15 people in my company within IT and developers switch to Intel Macs and love them.
Hardcore PC guys that now all run Apple hardware - dontcha think they'd have stayed with it if it we "just the box"?
It's not, and you guys don't get it so it's on to something more exciting like wheels or tires or windshield washer fluid
#162
Originally Posted by seattledave
are you saying the average air force pilot is dumber than the average marine?
Marine pilots are actually tough too - to you, I guess that means stupid?
#163
Originally Posted by jpauletteUSAF
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant
Maddox hits the nail on the head, here
Maddox hits the nail on the head, here
#164
Originally Posted by SciontCya
Originally Posted by seattledave
are you saying the average air force pilot is dumber than the average marine?
Marine pilots are actually tough too - to you, I guess that means stupid?
#165
I've also seen it done as well and OSX runs flawlessly if your not too stupid to be able to set it up correctly. Everyone who I know who has built their own computer and runs OSX ontop of XP is very pleased with the results and savings in price but the people who have done that obviously have some computer smarts and use XP anyway just because Mac is aimed toward the "not very savy" computer user. Not everyone can afford to go buy a $10k system like you SciontCya... If I had $10k laying around you can bet your butt I wouldn't be on a Scion forum anymore.
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I'm glad he represents the PC guys... I still stand by my clear breakdown list and it's results...
It's a pain to message with people who just argue/flame for the sake of doing it, not on true merits.... and seattledave....
Rule #2 - "Use only language acceptable in public. Misspelled profanity is still profanity..."
I'm glad he represents the PC guys... I still stand by my clear breakdown list and it's results...
It's a pain to message with people who just argue/flame for the sake of doing it, not on true merits.... and seattledave....
Rule #2 - "Use only language acceptable in public. Misspelled profanity is still profanity..."
#167
f I had $10k laying around you can bet your butt I wouldn't be on a Scion forum anymore.
And since your com-pre-hen-sion seems limited, I stated I didn't pay for them, my work does.
Enjoy being a Scion owner for the next 30 years brain surgeon.
#168
Originally Posted by iyzmi
...just because Mac is aimed toward the "not very savy" computer user...
#169
Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by SciontCya
Originally Posted by seattledave
are you saying the average air force pilot is dumber than the average marine?
Marine pilots are actually tough too - to you, I guess that means stupid?
You know, the ones that were SMART LIKE THIS?
I don't even think most USAF pilots can land on a carrier, but hey, the dumb leathernecks can...
#170
Originally Posted by doctorcue
Originally Posted by iyzmi
...just because Mac is aimed toward the "not very savy" computer user...
In my many experiences, it's always the jealous ones that can't afford a Mac that have the biggest chips (no pun intended) on their shoulders.
Why else would they mock/flame and still run OSX on their beige boxes?
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Originally Posted by iyzmi
I've also seen it done as well and OSX runs flawlessly if your not too stupid to be able to set it up correctly.
Originally Posted by iyzmi
Everyone who I know who has built their own computer and runs OSX ontop of XP is very pleased with the results and savings in price but the people who have done that obviously have some computer smarts and use XP anyway just because Mac is aimed toward the "not very savy" computer user.
Originally Posted by iyzmi
Not everyone can afford to go buy a $10k system like you SciontCya... If I had $10k laying around you can bet your butt I wouldn't be on a Scion forum anymore.
#172
First off, I don't represent PC or Mac, I use both on a daily basis and I think they are both fine OS's I just wanted to point out the fact that a PC can run OSX just as good as a Mac can run XP...
Second, I don't own a Scion, I was looking into buying one a couple years ago and just fell in love with the forum.
Third, I don't run OSX on my "beige box" (they haven't been beige since like 1999 by the way) nor do I really want to. Just saying the possibility is there for those who want to take advantage of it.
Fourth, setting up OSX really isn't that hard, there's a step by step tutorial if you care to read it. It's just not as widespread as such things as bootcamp.
Second, I don't own a Scion, I was looking into buying one a couple years ago and just fell in love with the forum.
Third, I don't run OSX on my "beige box" (they haven't been beige since like 1999 by the way) nor do I really want to. Just saying the possibility is there for those who want to take advantage of it.
Fourth, setting up OSX really isn't that hard, there's a step by step tutorial if you care to read it. It's just not as widespread as such things as bootcamp.
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I prefer saving a bit of money (a big bit) and building my own PC, then tweaking it to blow any Mac in it's price range out of the water.
Any product that requires you "Tweak" it, or have a larger than neccesary knowledge of it to make it work properly or superior to the competition, is a Inferior Product by definition. True, it may be cheaper, but cost is a minimal factor when you compare all the other criteria...
Once and Again, defending a product on the basis that if you TWEAK it enough, or are Expert Enough with components/troubleshooting/modifying/building that it makes is superior is EXTREMELY FLAWED when it comes to comparing overall superiority
#174
One more time.
I can run Linux on my iPod (and do)
Could my grandma do it? No.
Some people can hack OS X to run on a non-Mac.
Can my grandma do it? No.
Macs are superior in that yes, less computer-savvy people can sue them. Is it a badge of honor that something is so difficult, only really smart folks can use it? No.
Isn't that the reason people USE computers?
The fact that idiots can get work done on a Mac is telling.
Doesn't make it any less of a great tool.
Why do you think the iPod is so successful? Simple. Elegant. Works.
I can run Linux on my iPod (and do)
Could my grandma do it? No.
Some people can hack OS X to run on a non-Mac.
Can my grandma do it? No.
Macs are superior in that yes, less computer-savvy people can sue them. Is it a badge of honor that something is so difficult, only really smart folks can use it? No.
Isn't that the reason people USE computers?
The fact that idiots can get work done on a Mac is telling.
Doesn't make it any less of a great tool.
Why do you think the iPod is so successful? Simple. Elegant. Works.
#175
I agree that Mac is more user-friendly for "grandma" but there is another side to all that. PC is for people who understand how to take advantage of a computer to it's fullest, even if grandma can't.
#176
And for those who are capable of doing one night's worth of research and figuring out they can buy a Mac much cheaper by making it themselves (building a PC is easy) and still want the "pretty Mac case", here you go:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811164060
I don't like it very much, that one or the real Mac one, but for those who do, have at it. I would choose something different since I have so many options for cases that aren't beige boxes:
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg...Computer-Cases
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811164060
I don't like it very much, that one or the real Mac one, but for those who do, have at it. I would choose something different since I have so many options for cases that aren't beige boxes:
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCateg...Computer-Cases
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A Product that is by nature only ability to be used at it's fullest to those who understand how to is inferior to a product that can be used at it fullest by anyone. especially when that fullest is superior in many ways, other than cost.
We have given the PC guys cost and gaming.... but that's the only factor in which PC's have the edge for the general public... and that's what REALLY matters....
The less than 15-20 percent of the buying public which has the knowledge/time/capability to build and tweak and maintain a product is NOT part of the discussion regarding a product's TRUE superiority.
Once again.... MACs have the edge in almost all categories... PC guys still stick to TWEAKING and COST to try to maintain an arguement...
Average User (~85%) - Not Tinkerer/Builder (~15-20%)
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We have given the PC guys cost and gaming.... but that's the only factor in which PC's have the edge for the general public... and that's what REALLY matters....
The less than 15-20 percent of the buying public which has the knowledge/time/capability to build and tweak and maintain a product is NOT part of the discussion regarding a product's TRUE superiority.
Once again.... MACs have the edge in almost all categories... PC guys still stick to TWEAKING and COST to try to maintain an arguement...
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#178
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Originally Posted by SciontCya
"Flyboy" is generally used by Marines as a dig at Air Force pilots.
You know, the ones that were SMART LIKE THIS?
I don't even think most USAF pilots can land on a carrier, but hey, the dumb leathernecks can...
#179
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Originally Posted by jpauletteUSAF
Yeah? And most Marines I know are latent homosexuals.
Macs. ___.
Marines. Also ___.
Match made in heaven!
Macs. ___.
Marines. Also ___.
Match made in heaven!
you must be hangin around a ___ bar or something cause i'm not ___ and none of the marines I know are ___. alltho most airmen on the last airforce base I was on seemed very very queer.
#180
Originally Posted by hotbox05
Originally Posted by SciontCya
"Flyboy" is generally used by Marines as a dig at Air Force pilots.
You know, the ones that were SMART LIKE THIS?
I don't even think most USAF pilots can land on a carrier, but hey, the dumb leathernecks can...