Scions and Gays
#442
Sigmond Freud thought we were all born Bisexual, and may develop a preference later in life. No one is really quite sure about this, but most people have had at least some feeling for both genders at some stage in their lives. So there is no big deal about differentiating between if gays drive scions, suburus, wranglers, pt cruisers, etc... we all do. Interesting non the less.
"Freud’s view of sexuality, and of the libido in general, were far more complex – and far less surreal -- than a quick summary of the Oedipal Complex would suggest. To begin with, he accepted the idea that all human beings come into the world as potential bisexuals. And he theorized that our first sensuality was not genital but oral. This "oral stage" was marked by the infant’s preoccupation with sensations experienced with the lips and mouth. Later, as a toddler, the child entered into an "****" phase where the emphasis was on the sensations and accomplishments surrounding bowel movements. A phallic stage came next in which the sensations of the genitals, experienced in the context of holding in or releasing urine, came into prominence. (Note that Freud proposed the clitoris as the female equivalent of the *****; thus girls too experienced a phallic stage.)" - The Standard Edition of the Complete Psychological Works of Sigmund Freud
"Freud’s view of sexuality, and of the libido in general, were far more complex – and far less surreal -- than a quick summary of the Oedipal Complex would suggest. To begin with, he accepted the idea that all human beings come into the world as potential bisexuals. And he theorized that our first sensuality was not genital but oral. This "oral stage" was marked by the infant’s preoccupation with sensations experienced with the lips and mouth. Later, as a toddler, the child entered into an "****" phase where the emphasis was on the sensations and accomplishments surrounding bowel movements. A phallic stage came next in which the sensations of the genitals, experienced in the context of holding in or releasing urine, came into prominence. (Note that Freud proposed the clitoris as the female equivalent of the *****; thus girls too experienced a phallic stage.)" - The Standard Edition of the Complete Psychological Works of Sigmund Freud
#443
That's true, I'll never understand ___ men that took it all the way with females though. I know the social pressure is a lot, especially back when being ___ wasn't as socially acceptable as it is now. But even still, I haven't ever thought about being with a woman and I don't think I ever could.
#445
straight guys patting on the ****...hmm thats not me lol im very secure, or i think i am anyhow (i dont know what anyone else thinks)
that being said im not into the whole butt pat lol, I understand it in sports because like in football...they have pads on so cant feel much anyway except on the rear end so it makes sense
now im not affraid of the "manly macho half hug" thing...thats not a big deal for me, hell i would give a guy a hug too it doesnt mean im ___...now the typical overly macho guy type could NOT handle it and would likely attempt to be even more super macho and start a fight or something
- I am a firm believer guys who are way too macho are closet gays and are building up such a high wall of protection so nobody including them suspects they might be ___ (sorry, just how i feel and i know there are exceptions)
also some people are just touchy feely and some are not. I am the affectionate touchy feely type....at work i will pat people on the back or shoulder and things like that, i like to think of it as a supportive "im on your side" type of gesture, just like slapping 5 etc....
Damn I love this thread lol
OH MY DOG, ive posted one to many times in a ___ thread DAMNIT i am ___ now AHHHHHHH!!!!
that being said im not into the whole butt pat lol, I understand it in sports because like in football...they have pads on so cant feel much anyway except on the rear end so it makes sense
now im not affraid of the "manly macho half hug" thing...thats not a big deal for me, hell i would give a guy a hug too it doesnt mean im ___...now the typical overly macho guy type could NOT handle it and would likely attempt to be even more super macho and start a fight or something
- I am a firm believer guys who are way too macho are closet gays and are building up such a high wall of protection so nobody including them suspects they might be ___ (sorry, just how i feel and i know there are exceptions)
also some people are just touchy feely and some are not. I am the affectionate touchy feely type....at work i will pat people on the back or shoulder and things like that, i like to think of it as a supportive "im on your side" type of gesture, just like slapping 5 etc....
Damn I love this thread lol
OH MY DOG, ive posted one to many times in a ___ thread DAMNIT i am ___ now AHHHHHHH!!!!
#449
No but seriously, I'm not one of those people that thinks every guy who shows a slight ___ or feminine trait is a homo. I mean, I think I have certain masculine traits but it doesn't make me hetero, I'm just comfortable being who I am. I have no gaydar whatsoever, so everyone is straight to me unless they tell me otherwise anyway. So if you wanna give your good buddy a nice friendly pat on the behind, go ahead. I won't judge you :D
#450
I love j-rock and fanservice is a common thing and the men are straight (atleast the bands I listen to). But then again they are getting paid.
Note:fanservice- kissing,licking,dry humping etc. on stage,for photos and interviews.
So uh who is going to see brokeback mountain?
Note:fanservice- kissing,licking,dry humping etc. on stage,for photos and interviews.
So uh who is going to see brokeback mountain?
#451
Go to Europe. I think about Turkey, now in particular. I visited Istanbul a long time ago, during an all-___ cruise of the greek islands, and other points.
In Istanbul, the warmth of the young, straight guys was amazing. They are all relaxed and affectionate to each peer.
They lounge at a street corner, one arm on the shoulder of the buddy. It's not ___, it's their culture- family and friend oriented. No taboos against a hug or even taking the close friends hand in hand, while making a point. The power of touch in persuading or bestowing honor or affection is a trait TABOOED by our Puritan roots. The Turks don't fear that stuff. I don't suppose they have any more gays per capita than any other nation (it seems to be about the same througout the races and nations and over the eras).
WE, the USA, are the most repressive, nearly of the first world countries. Our culture makes buddy-touching a sexual innuendo. In Turkey, at least, that is not the case.
The guys are often very handsome in Istanbul. I met only one openly ___ one. He wanted to attach to our small group of three couples, and show us the sights. We were seeing plenty. Fascinating, ancient city, Istanbul where a touch is to smile for and not to fear.
I thought -what a ___ place-. But no, it's only at ease.
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In Istanbul, the warmth of the young, straight guys was amazing. They are all relaxed and affectionate to each peer.
They lounge at a street corner, one arm on the shoulder of the buddy. It's not ___, it's their culture- family and friend oriented. No taboos against a hug or even taking the close friends hand in hand, while making a point. The power of touch in persuading or bestowing honor or affection is a trait TABOOED by our Puritan roots. The Turks don't fear that stuff. I don't suppose they have any more gays per capita than any other nation (it seems to be about the same througout the races and nations and over the eras).
WE, the USA, are the most repressive, nearly of the first world countries. Our culture makes buddy-touching a sexual innuendo. In Turkey, at least, that is not the case.
The guys are often very handsome in Istanbul. I met only one openly ___ one. He wanted to attach to our small group of three couples, and show us the sights. We were seeing plenty. Fascinating, ancient city, Istanbul where a touch is to smile for and not to fear.
I thought -what a ___ place-. But no, it's only at ease.
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OH, and welcome to glenbrrr!
#452
nice post SciFly
I think though that over time we are slowly changing everything, it takes time to undo the damage of the past
look at this thread for example, some may disagree...but the fact you can have this going so strong on a basic public website/forum...REALLY is nice I think.
I have a high degree of respect for people who even may disagree with it..but can still avoid ruining it for everyone else...that is very cool IMHO.
I think though that over time we are slowly changing everything, it takes time to undo the damage of the past
look at this thread for example, some may disagree...but the fact you can have this going so strong on a basic public website/forum...REALLY is nice I think.
I have a high degree of respect for people who even may disagree with it..but can still avoid ruining it for everyone else...that is very cool IMHO.
#453
Originally Posted by Marshall
Sigmond Freud thought we were all born Bisexual, and may develop a preference later in life. No one is really quite sure about this, but most people have had at least some feeling for both genders at some stage in their lives. So there is no big deal about differentiating between if gays drive scions, suburus, wranglers, pt cruisers, etc... we all do. Interesting non the less.[/i]
#456
Interesting terminology indeed.
Mike, it's funny you mention how well this thread has gone. Things weren't always like that on SL. Way back when I first joined the site during the summer of 04, a friend of mine posted a thread titled "Am I the only ___ guy here?"
It blew up with negative posts and lots of flaming. The mods tried to keep it under control but it got to be too much to handle and the thread was eventually locked.
Later there was another member here who tried to create a Yahoo group for ___ Scion owners called "The Men of Scion." There was some issue with Yahoo automatically classing the group as "adult" because of the ___ distinction, the group leader intended for it to have an automotive designation.
That didn't go over well when he posted about the group here on SL. There was some dispute about linking members to adult material (there was none, I checked out the group) and I think the posts were locked or deleted and the group leader was banned; but I think that was from repeatedly cross posting the same thread in different forums even after being warned.
I'm glad the climate around here seems to have gotten less confrontational and I think it's really amazing that we have so many cool people around here, both straight, ___ and "in the middle."
Mike, it's funny you mention how well this thread has gone. Things weren't always like that on SL. Way back when I first joined the site during the summer of 04, a friend of mine posted a thread titled "Am I the only ___ guy here?"
It blew up with negative posts and lots of flaming. The mods tried to keep it under control but it got to be too much to handle and the thread was eventually locked.
Later there was another member here who tried to create a Yahoo group for ___ Scion owners called "The Men of Scion." There was some issue with Yahoo automatically classing the group as "adult" because of the ___ distinction, the group leader intended for it to have an automotive designation.
That didn't go over well when he posted about the group here on SL. There was some dispute about linking members to adult material (there was none, I checked out the group) and I think the posts were locked or deleted and the group leader was banned; but I think that was from repeatedly cross posting the same thread in different forums even after being warned.
I'm glad the climate around here seems to have gotten less confrontational and I think it's really amazing that we have so many cool people around here, both straight, ___ and "in the middle."
#457
Oh, yeah, it's gotten a lot more livable for openly ___ folks here.
We have good moderation now to thank for this.
I don't think any are "evil" at all.
DAVE, you redhound old dog, that's you.
We have good moderation now to thank for this.
I don't think any are "evil" at all.
DAVE, you redhound old dog, that's you.
#458
Originally Posted by KevinxB
No but seriously, I'm not one of those people that thinks every guy who shows a slight ___ or feminine trait is a homo. I mean, I think I have certain masculine traits but it doesn't make me hetero, I'm just comfortable being who I am. I have no gaydar whatsoever, so everyone is straight to me unless they tell me otherwise anyway. So if you wanna give your good buddy a nice friendly pat on the behind, go ahead. I won't judge you :D
I don't know what it is, but I have really good gaydar. Except with the ones that you can't tell are men or women... and when they're straight, it confuses me more. For some reason, I can only pick out the ones that seem straight.