xlr8tC

i was messing with you man. geez. didn't you see the just kidding? i still don't see what the definition of theory has to do with thoughs on religion and christianity.

scionofPCFL

Because one of the biggest divides between science and religion has to do with, and here it goes, The Theory of Evolution. Thumpers discredit it by saying, "it's just a theory", but they have no idea what a theory actually is, assuming it means: "guess". When that couldn't be further from the truth.

Someone breaks it down fairly more articulate here: http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

Menace

Your assumption is incorrect. I never labeled them unimportant to the scientific community, I attempted to explain the difference between fact and theory. Are we debating which has a more pronounced effect on one's interest or trying to differentiate between the two?

xlr8tC

^^but, that wasn't what the original vid was about. plus, stating that evolution falls into the same category as gravity theory and relativity theory is a slippery slope. we know for a fact that those theories don't hold up in extreme cases(black holes come to mind). i'm not arguing.
just pointing out facts.

scionofPCFL

how does "less important" equate to "not important"?

Well, we don't know exactly what holds up in a black hole, now do we? However, it should be point out, that black holes were predicted by, I believe (and could be wrong here), Einstein and relativity theory.

xlr8tC

well, now wait a minute. are you contradicting yourself? either we don't know what holds up in a black hole or we have a theory that explains it. which is it?... relativity deals more with the structure of how things are in the universe and how we observe them. it doesn't really cover enormously massive, but incredibly small points of matter. look up penrose-hawking singularity theorems.

and i'm almost certain relativity had nothing to do with the formation of religion.

scionofPCFL

in order to know anything about a black hole, we'd have to go in there somehow, but we can't even see them, we just know of their existence by their gravitational pull on light. so how would we know? They wouldn't have a theory on it. Ideas maybe, but nothing else.

And this thread is so far derailed, I think we're just waiting on a lockdown.

xlr8tC

yeah, i think you're right about the lockdown.

and, yeah, there's a lot of math that predicts what a black hole is, but as you were saying... until we can figure out how to make better observations of it.... it's all conjecture and opinion. it's like guessing all the different species of life on earth by looking at a cloud formation.

R2D2

WOW... that was a long 5 pages.....

So the title says "Thoughts on religion... Christianity", and after reading this entire thread I found it very interesting what people's thoughts were.

It's no surprise that people reacted the way they did. The "denominational christianity" religion as we know it had been pretty much tainted since the start of the new testament. If you read it you would realize that fact, and that was part the purpose it was written (to correct people's flawed concepts/ways).
Throughout the ages you see people using & abusing this thing called "religion". Let's not even go that far, simply look at our present age - politicians, terrorists, the list goes on & on & on...... Anyways, the point is people should NOT gather & base their concepts/ideas/feelings/biases on a wrongful representation of God.

I also want to clarify somethings in regards to the statements made on the authenticity of the Holy Bible being from God.
2 Timothy 3:16 (NIV): All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Someone also stated that the earth was X number of years old according to the Holy Bible, however I believe that was something untrue. Between Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
&
Genesis 1:2 But the earth became waste and emptiness, and darkness was on the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was brooding upon the surface of the waters.
Nobody knows exactly how long that took, therefore the exact date cannot be extracted. The verses following is when the existence of days & nights began.

Another issue I read about was regarding the "earth being flat coming the the bible" theory. It was actually the corrupted churches in europe that invented that concept, not something from the Holy Bible. As a matter of fact, if you look in the old testament (circa B.C.) you will find that it states the earth is in fact round.
Isaiah 40:22 (NIV): He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Master

^^^doesn't work with non believers....i don't use the bible to disprove something cause that's just contradictory.

my theory: all religions are essentially the same thing. they all at the core are a great collection of morals and civil code. sure the details are a bit different, but i think that's because of the different cultures.

i don't like religion when it's forced down your throat with fire and brimstone. you don't see buddhists telling ppl to meditate or go to hell do you?

plus there's this whole responsibility problem i see. ppl need to blame themselves for the problems of society and the world. jews and palestinians need to look in the mirror and see themselves as murderers

jsa3mm

Christianity was invented by the Romans as a control method, it worked, and is still working to this day.

scionofPCFL

^^ ok, that's a new one.

For the longest time they simply fed the Christians to the lions and had other sorts of fun with them. Then Constatine had a vision to put a cross on his flag and he'd win a big battle. He did, he won, and then established Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire.

Or at least that's how I heard the story.

jsa3mm

The American government is tied in with religion, the media, and corporations to control it's people. The government takes away liberties of the American people through control. The media is set up to infuse fear into our lives so the government can strip of us our American rights. Corporations sell products that keep us stagnant.
The government will soon be putting tracking devices into every American's passport. They would like for us to have them implanted into our bodies as one family has already done.
Check 'em out:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pI_Pq1wiBbs
"Brave new world"...my butt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdX6jI5EBA8

backseatchris

here is the original 50 pages of debate on this topic

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...r=asc&&start=0

xlr8tC

we aren't debating religion anymore. we are arguing about the definition of the word theory and the different kinds of theories out there.

scionofPCFL

no, I won that, so we've moved on.

xlr8tC

well, poopy. i was having fun with that.

Menace

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I moved on when you stopped making sense. My silence does not translate to you winning. Don't take credit when no credit is due. Also, don't misrepresent my points to make your own points. I not once labeled theories "less" important either. This whole debate began because you can not differentiate between two separate terms nor can you comprehend the definition from a dictionary which I even pasted. I always maintained that theories either have flaws or leave something unexplained. I even provided a link pointing out those flaws in the Theory of Relativity(which seems to be your favorite theory). Yes they are important, yes they are utilized every day, yes they are a work in progress. You are entitled to perceive theories as you see fit, however, do not impose your opinionated definition on others.

xlr8tC

yay...the fight is back.