Ticket for Factory Rear Privacy Glass..
05-17-2012 | 12:48 AM
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I read this post just to see what the outcome was and wanted to say "nice work" to Tomas getting Toyota corporate involved. Nice to see forum communities helping out like that.
It seems the NYS residence are victims of the inconsistencies in the federal vs. state (and even county or parish in my case) laws about this stuff.
In Louisiana the state law is weird on tint, you're allowed 40% transmission front windows, side window behind driver 25% transmission, and rear most windows 12% transmission. And that's "all tolerances included" so "factory tint" plus your stick on tint can't pass those numbers. Makes it difficult to tint some cars as they are pre-tinted a bit. No window tint can have a reflectance greater than 20%. If you have your car tinted to "max legal" here it looks like calico patchwork. Good news (or bad) is depending on what parish you live in the enforcement is lacking in some areas vs. others.
It seems the NYS residence are victims of the inconsistencies in the federal vs. state (and even county or parish in my case) laws about this stuff.
In Louisiana the state law is weird on tint, you're allowed 40% transmission front windows, side window behind driver 25% transmission, and rear most windows 12% transmission. And that's "all tolerances included" so "factory tint" plus your stick on tint can't pass those numbers. Makes it difficult to tint some cars as they are pre-tinted a bit. No window tint can have a reflectance greater than 20%. If you have your car tinted to "max legal" here it looks like calico patchwork. Good news (or bad) is depending on what parish you live in the enforcement is lacking in some areas vs. others.
05-17-2012 | 01:06 AM
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Sadly, Dave, it is not just New York State residents who get caught up in this trap, but even residents of other states.
The OP in this thread isn't even a NY resident as his Scion is registered and licensed in another state, and he was ticketed for the factory tint while passing through.
I thought we were getting somewhere toward a good public response from TMS/Scion, but that sadly turns out not to be the case.
The OP in this thread isn't even a NY resident as his Scion is registered and licensed in another state, and he was ticketed for the factory tint while passing through.
I thought we were getting somewhere toward a good public response from TMS/Scion, but that sadly turns out not to be the case.
05-17-2012 | 01:51 AM
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Look into working the legal system. I have medical exemption and have 5% all the way around. Talk to your local tint guys for referrals to doctors they know who can write a letter that is then faxed to your DMV and you get an exemption certificate. Boom
05-17-2012 | 02:04 AM
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Duce, the problem here is it should be TMS/Scion supporting the customers on this, not the other way 'round, as the windows being ticketed are not aftermarket tinted, but stock OEM glass from the factory as sold by Toyota Motor Sales and their dealers in New York State.
Either the windows are legal and TMS can respond on letterhead that they are, or they are not, and they can begin getting this straightened out with NYS.
Either way it should NOT be up to the owner of the car with unmodified stock windows, purchased from a dealer in NYS, to "game the system" or search out aftermarket tinters to game the system - he should be fully supported by TMS since they sold him the vehicle for use in NYS.
Tom
Either the windows are legal and TMS can respond on letterhead that they are, or they are not, and they can begin getting this straightened out with NYS.
Either way it should NOT be up to the owner of the car with unmodified stock windows, purchased from a dealer in NYS, to "game the system" or search out aftermarket tinters to game the system - he should be fully supported by TMS since they sold him the vehicle for use in NYS.
Tom
05-17-2012 | 02:34 AM
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Duce, the problem here is it should be TMS/Scion supporting the customers on this, not the other way 'round, as the windows being ticketed are not aftermarket tinted, but stock OEM glass from the factory as sold by Toyota Motor Sales and their dealers in New York State.
Either the windows are legal and TMS can respond on letterhead that they are, or they are not, and they can begin getting this straightened out with NYS.
Either way it should NOT be up to the owner of the car with unmodified stock windows, purchased from a dealer in NYS, to "game the system" or search out aftermarket tinters to game the system - he should be fully supported by TMS since they sold him the vehicle for use in NYS.
Tom
Either the windows are legal and TMS can respond on letterhead that they are, or they are not, and they can begin getting this straightened out with NYS.
Either way it should NOT be up to the owner of the car with unmodified stock windows, purchased from a dealer in NYS, to "game the system" or search out aftermarket tinters to game the system - he should be fully supported by TMS since they sold him the vehicle for use in NYS.
Tom
05-17-2012 | 02:36 AM
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This whole ordeal is pretty ridiculous. If it came from the factory and sold in the US, it should be legal in every single state. If it isn't, it shouldn't even be sold. There's not even any options for lighter glass, so that's not even an option.
But as Tomas has stated, the 2nd gen is listed as an SUV. Fight it if you have the time. If not, then just pay the ticket. Keep the EPA statements with you for when it happens next time. Be as polite as possible.
But as Tomas has stated, the 2nd gen is listed as an SUV. Fight it if you have the time. If not, then just pay the ticket. Keep the EPA statements with you for when it happens next time. Be as polite as possible.
05-17-2012 | 03:59 AM
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05-17-2012 | 04:16 AM
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Yeah, NYS I can almost understand (except for ticketing out-of-state cars for things that are 100% legal in the states where they are registered), but TMS/Scion's response leaves me very disappointed - especially where they respond to a question not asked instead of the question asked, then close the door to further inquiry.
Sadly, I'm not really certain the rep understands the issue well enough, which is why I went another route in the company. Sadly it came right back to the person who first had it, because it was somehow theirs (they had it first).
I'm considering yet another path based on a totally new inquiry...
Sadly, I'm not really certain the rep understands the issue well enough, which is why I went another route in the company. Sadly it came right back to the person who first had it, because it was somehow theirs (they had it first).
I'm considering yet another path based on a totally new inquiry...
05-17-2012 | 07:18 PM
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Just got a call from Timesha@Scion requesting I remove her direct contact info from my previous post. Done.
I was also told that Scion's full response to this public thread is that "Scions meet all NHTSA requirements" and that if the individual owner would like further assistance they should contact Scion themselves and Scion will respond to them.
I suggested that since there was more than one owner being stopped and ticketed by New York State for factory tint, providing a helpful public answer in this thread would potentially help many, and I was told again that individual owners need to contact Scion and they will respond individually.
Sorry, Schmohey, I've just been stonewalled. You are on your own.
Tom
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P.S. I warned Scion they would probably not like this post.
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I was also told that Scion's full response to this public thread is that "Scions meet all NHTSA requirements" and that if the individual owner would like further assistance they should contact Scion themselves and Scion will respond to them.
I suggested that since there was more than one owner being stopped and ticketed by New York State for factory tint, providing a helpful public answer in this thread would potentially help many, and I was told again that individual owners need to contact Scion and they will respond individually.
Sorry, Schmohey, I've just been stonewalled. You are on your own.
Tom
Contact Info for Scion: Scion Representative Information or (866) 707-2466
P.S. I warned Scion they would probably not like this post.
T
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05-17-2012 | 08:13 PM
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05-17-2012 | 08:53 PM
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Perhaps folks with tinted rear side windows that do not meet NYS requirements who intend to drive to or through NY should ask for clarification...
Of course I would not seriously suggest that, it was only in jest.
Of course I would not seriously suggest that, it was only in jest.
05-18-2012 | 07:50 PM
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The xB2 is rated a MPV meaning you can have the rear doors and rear glass tinted as dark as you want, hell you could spray paint them black and use it for transporting sheep.
If you look on the tag when you open your drivers door it will say MPV = multi purpose vehicle. Take a picture of that and show it to the judge. Case dismissed cops an idiot.
Here is mine:
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If you look on the tag when you open your drivers door it will say MPV = multi purpose vehicle. Take a picture of that and show it to the judge. Case dismissed cops an idiot.
Here is mine:
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05-18-2012 | 08:16 PM
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We have the winning answer!
EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! That should be more than enough proof that your vehicle is NOT subject to the "passenger car" requirements. (Why couldn't TMS/Scion have said that? Would have settled this easily the first time the question was asked.)
BTW, I checked mine, too (it's a 2005 xB Classic), and it's officially an MPV and would also pass muster:
Thank you very much, Dana, for breaking the logjam!
Tom
The XB2 is rated a MPV meaning you can have the rear doors and rear glass tinted as dark as you want, hell you could spray paint them black and use it for transporting sheep. If you look on the tag when you open your drivers door it will say MPV = multi purpose vehicle. Take a picture of that and show it to the judge. Case dismissed cops an idiot.
Here is mine:
Here is mine:
BTW, I checked mine, too (it's a 2005 xB Classic), and it's officially an MPV and would also pass muster:
Thank you very much, Dana, for breaking the logjam!
Tom
05-19-2012 | 06:52 AM
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We have the winning answer!
EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! That should be more than enough proof that your vehicle is NOT subject to the "passenger car" requirements. (Why couldn't TMS/Scion have said that? Would have settled this easily the first time the question was asked.)
BTW, I checked mine, too (it's a 2005 xB Classic), and it's officially an MPV and would also pass muster:
Thank you very much, Dana, for breaking the logjam!
Tom
EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT! That should be more than enough proof that your vehicle is NOT subject to the "passenger car" requirements. (Why couldn't TMS/Scion have said that? Would have settled this easily the first time the question was asked.)
BTW, I checked mine, too (it's a 2005 xB Classic), and it's officially an MPV and would also pass muster:
Thank you very much, Dana, for breaking the logjam!
Tom
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05-23-2012 | 01:05 AM
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As stated earlier in this thread, NYS and particularly NYC has some of the toughest, hypocritical and/or imbecilic restrictive laws known to the free world (and even Kali). Just look at some of the firearms/handgun convictions for out-of-state folks that even the freakin NRA couldn't get over. And, sorry, Toyota can't hold a candle to the political clout of the NRA.
06-06-2012 | 03:15 AM
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PA (PennDot) labels my xB: TOYOTA, WAGON. Yet State Farm Insurance card shows SCION VAN. (State Farm says they HAVE to have it this way, (Comes in when they punch VIN in)... Gotta love consistency. My INS card and Reg card are a mismatch 
I have to PAY Penndot for an info change or some garbage. No thanks, they did it when the Dealer submitted for my tags....
I have to PAY Penndot for an info change or some garbage. No thanks, they did it when the Dealer submitted for my tags....