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#41
If a loved one of mine was murdered and the killer didn't get the death penalty, i would most likely put out a hit on him.
The bottom line is that we are just monkeys, and we will always act like monkeys.
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monkeys with guns.
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hail Eris
The bottom line is that we are just monkeys, and we will always act like monkeys.
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monkeys with guns.
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hail Eris
#42
"Why do we kill people who are killing people to show that killing people is wrong?"
We kill people who are killing people to show that sometimes killing people is wrong.
Important difference. See reasons 1-5 above, for when it is OK to kill people.
Killing innocent victims is wrong. Killing some people is sometimes justified and even desired.
I very much want to see Hussein and Bin Laden Killed.
We kill people who are killing people to show that sometimes killing people is wrong.
Important difference. See reasons 1-5 above, for when it is OK to kill people.
Killing innocent victims is wrong. Killing some people is sometimes justified and even desired.
I very much want to see Hussein and Bin Laden Killed.
#44
Originally Posted by Placebo
I think being in prison for the rest of your life is worse then dying
It cost a lot to keep prisoners. I would rather see my tax money go elsewhere.
#45
I have a hard time believing the death penalty is any kind of deterrent... that anyone that commits murder planned to get caught and is really concerned about the actual consequences at the time of the crime. I believe it is wrong for a human to kill another human deliberately unless in the case of self defense or the defense of family. I cannot speak from experience, I have not had a loved one killed. I also have little confidence in our legal system and its ability to punish everyone guilty and let everyone innocent free every time.
#46
Hey im from wisconsin. Ever heard of steven avery. Man spent 18 years of his life in prison for a crime he didnt commit. DNA proved he didnt do it. So anyhow. They just arrested him for a murder he 99.9% probably did commit
Oh the irony
Oh the irony
#47
i dont see the death penalty as a deterent, however it does remove someone who is a threat to society which is more important. I think though thier is too much lag time from when someone is convicted until when someone is exectuted. Look at Scott Peterson, how can you say this guy does not deserve to die, but he'll be in his mid 50's by then. It needs to be carried out quicker. With todays technology thier is a very small chance someone who is on deathrow is the wrong person, so that is no longer an arugment. lite em" up........
#48
Originally Posted by Captain_tC
An eye for an eye is totally fair. However, I am completely against the death penalty for the simple reason that no systems is perfect and innocent people will die as a result of this policy. If even 1 INNOCENT person dies as a result of the death penalty, then that is 1 too many. Can you imagine how horrible it would be to die for a crime you didnt commit? *scary*
But in obvious cases where the person is guilty (ie 100 witnesses saw the crime), then I am all for the punishment.
But in obvious cases where the person is guilty (ie 100 witnesses saw the crime), then I am all for the punishment.
The death penalty is not a deterrent! It isn't meant to be!!! It is punishment of a crime that is abhorent to mankind.
Again, I ask, have any of you ever looked down the barrel of a loaded gun in the hands of a killer?
#49
Originally Posted by oldmanatee
Originally Posted by Captain_tC
An eye for an eye is totally fair. However, I am completely against the death penalty for the simple reason that no systems is perfect and innocent people will die as a result of this policy. If even 1 INNOCENT person dies as a result of the death penalty, then that is 1 too many. Can you imagine how horrible it would be to die for a crime you didnt commit? *scary*
But in obvious cases where the person is guilty (ie 100 witnesses saw the crime), then I am all for the punishment.
But in obvious cases where the person is guilty (ie 100 witnesses saw the crime), then I am all for the punishment.
The death penalty is not a deterrent! It isn't meant to be!!! It is punishment of a crime that is abhorent to mankind.
Again, I ask, have any of you ever looked down the barrel of a loaded gun in the hands of a killer?
Now, if life in prision meant working 18 hours a day breaking rocks, sleeping and eating....They would beg for the death penalty. This working out, cable tv, video game, basketball playing prisoners is crap.
#50
Originally Posted by Kilo6_one
i dont see the death penalty as a deterent, however it does remove someone who is a threat to society which is more important. I think though thier is too much lag time from when someone is convicted until when someone is exectuted. Look at Scott Peterson, how can you say this guy does not deserve to die, but he'll be in his mid 50's by then. It needs to be carried out quicker. With todays technology thier is a very small chance someone who is on deathrow is the wrong person, so that is no longer an arugment. lite em" up........
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I'm for, no surprise there, eh?
And IF prison rehabiltates, then why do soooooooooooo many convicts go back? And why do I have to fight 3 strike Felons at work?
PRISON DOES NOT REHABILITATE.
That's how I got hurt in the first place.
Arresting a Parolee, on parole for selling crack cocaine, hanging out on a "dope" corner, and what did he have on him when I finally got the handcuffs on him, 3 streets, 6 backyards, two physical altercations, and over 2.5 minutes later? 12 rocks, a loaded Ak-47 magazine, and $2k in cash. And he was 24.
Yeah right.
And IF prison rehabiltates, then why do soooooooooooo many convicts go back? And why do I have to fight 3 strike Felons at work?
PRISON DOES NOT REHABILITATE.
That's how I got hurt in the first place.
Arresting a Parolee, on parole for selling crack cocaine, hanging out on a "dope" corner, and what did he have on him when I finally got the handcuffs on him, 3 streets, 6 backyards, two physical altercations, and over 2.5 minutes later? 12 rocks, a loaded Ak-47 magazine, and $2k in cash. And he was 24.
Yeah right.
#54
The death penalty definately deters at least one criminal. The one executed.
Yes, men in prison for murder have killed guards, other prisoners and innocent people, when they get out (many people sentenced for murder get out eventually).
Yes, men in prison for murder have killed guards, other prisoners and innocent people, when they get out (many people sentenced for murder get out eventually).
#56
Originally Posted by oldmanatee
But, they were rehabed when they got out according to some...
I don't know what I'd do if someone I loved was killed by someone that had no right to be out on the streets.
I don't know what I'd do if someone I loved was killed by someone that had no right to be out on the streets.
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Originally Posted by oldmanatee
What??? How did you plant all that on him.. if he had been in prison, he was reformed.....
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#58
Originally Posted by DjCarlitoRoc
i dont know much about tookies crime, but i'm not for the death penalty, because even if you killed the 2-3 million people that are in jail right now for every single offense, there would still be crime and murders.
i've always said, if the gun makers were held more liable for deaths, they would take better precautions and not allow the streets to get flooded with weapons.
If car makers, baby bottle makers, painters, etc are held liable for deaths, so should smith n wesson.
whats sad is that, now that he's dead, they'll have more books, movies, videogames about this guy, and neither his family nor the families of the victims will see a dime.
i've always said, if the gun makers were held more liable for deaths, they would take better precautions and not allow the streets to get flooded with weapons.
If car makers, baby bottle makers, painters, etc are held liable for deaths, so should smith n wesson.
whats sad is that, now that he's dead, they'll have more books, movies, videogames about this guy, and neither his family nor the families of the victims will see a dime.
#59
Originally Posted by matt_a
Originally Posted by oldmanatee
But, they were rehabed when they got out according to some...
I don't know what I'd do if someone I loved was killed by someone that had no right to be out on the streets.
I don't know what I'd do if someone I loved was killed by someone that had no right to be out on the streets.
#60
I am for the death penalty
He was a murderer and for his crimes the state appointed a penalty. Every man in his right mind knows the consequences of there actions. But than I come to wonder how any man in his right mind could kill someone.
As far as I know he did not appologize, which shows everyone that he was not rehabilitized, or repentent. I heard last night on the news a really stupid statement "How can anyone put a childrens book writer to death". Well, he's not a childrens book writer, he's a murderer.
I do not believe the Death Penalty should be so public, it should not be publisized. This only makes them mardyrs for someone else. They should not be rocognized, they dont diserve that.
And for keeping poeple for life? That is never going to work, because we dont have an unlimited amount of space in the prisons, infact I do believe we are already over crowded in just about every prison in the United States. Dont come yapping to me like I dont know what I'm talking about either, because I do, I've had family and close friends working in very huge prisons. Oh and my best friends dad is the warden of the Leavenworth CCA, a huge Federal prison Chain in the US. I do live in Leavenworth after all, We do have just about the most famous operatanal prison in the US, maybe you've heard of it, the Leavenworth Pen?
Yeah, he got what was coming to him, if he's sorry than good for him, it will make it a tad bit easier when he stands in front of God, but if he's not than poor guy.
He was a murderer and for his crimes the state appointed a penalty. Every man in his right mind knows the consequences of there actions. But than I come to wonder how any man in his right mind could kill someone.
As far as I know he did not appologize, which shows everyone that he was not rehabilitized, or repentent. I heard last night on the news a really stupid statement "How can anyone put a childrens book writer to death". Well, he's not a childrens book writer, he's a murderer.
I do not believe the Death Penalty should be so public, it should not be publisized. This only makes them mardyrs for someone else. They should not be rocognized, they dont diserve that.
And for keeping poeple for life? That is never going to work, because we dont have an unlimited amount of space in the prisons, infact I do believe we are already over crowded in just about every prison in the United States. Dont come yapping to me like I dont know what I'm talking about either, because I do, I've had family and close friends working in very huge prisons. Oh and my best friends dad is the warden of the Leavenworth CCA, a huge Federal prison Chain in the US. I do live in Leavenworth after all, We do have just about the most famous operatanal prison in the US, maybe you've heard of it, the Leavenworth Pen?
Yeah, he got what was coming to him, if he's sorry than good for him, it will make it a tad bit easier when he stands in front of God, but if he's not than poor guy.