GammaTNT

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right now i work at one of casino in Atlantic City as a Poker dealer. Many dealers here feels they have been mistreat by the management. They are trying to get United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Workers (UAW) to represent us.

I personally feel that union don't know anything about customer service. My job is base on tips from players. Also the only bargain tool any union got against the management is going on strike and picketing. If we ever go on strike and picketing , telling customers to stay away. it will hurt the casino and my wage for a very long time.

What are your thoughts on Unions?

scionofPCFL

Unions in general I don't have much of a problem with. Unions that use mafia tactics to elicit what essentially amounts to bribes and pay off money in the form of over-inflated wages for completely unskilled labor do nothing but destroy companies. Example: the automobile industry, aerospace industry, and agricultural industry which is surviving off capital investments (equipment that replaces said overpaid workers) and migrant farm workers (too illegal to unionize).

seattledave

good in some ways, bad in others.

Good's: In an expensive place to live, union wages allow for hard-working non-college educated people to own homes. I would love to take advantage of most unions's "cost of living" pay increases.

Bad's:
When talking construction jobs, over bidding on industrial/commercial projects allows for unfair, but legal, underbidding on residential work.
Racist and sexist hiring practices(labeled as such things as affirmative action).
Little to any pay increases for working harder or smarter than your peers, (but it doesn't matter with the laziest union guy making more than the smartest non-union)
Keeps people(esp. teachers) with poor social and work practices moving up the ladder to money and power.

bebe2630

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WELL EVERY UNION HAS DIFFERENT RULES, AND SOME ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. IM A MEMBER OF TEAMSTER LOCAL 202 AND I LIKE IT EXEPT FOR THE PART THAT BEFORE THEY USED TO COME TALK TO US ABOUT PROBLEMS EVERY ONCE IN A MONTH AND NOW IS ONCE A YEAR ON ELECTION DATE FOR THEM. WE GET HOLIDAYS PAY, EVERY YEAR A RAISE, 2 WEEKS VACATION AFTER 1 YEAR AND EVERYONE AFTER BEEN WORKING FOR 3 YEAR GETS TOP PAY. WHICH MEANS YOU GET PAY WHAT THE OLDEST WORKER GETS PAY.<<MY FAV PART LOL. LIKE I SAID EVERY UNION IS DIFFERENT.

GammaTNT

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wow, Getting top pay after only 3 years. I have to work 10 year to get top pay and it is only $10 maximum. Almost 80% of wage are from tips, that make up for it.
We only get a week of vacation time after first year. My parents get 4 weeks after working over 10 years.

hotbox05

i have to use union labor when i set up in convention centers. from my experience with decorator unions and electrical union people. they are all lazy , white trash , unskilled , and did I mention lazy?

oldmanatee

I can't stand unions.....I don't see how you can work side by side with someone day after day until it's time to strike, then if you want to do the right thing and keep working to feed your family and pay your bills, and your "buddy" thinks you shouldn't cross the line, decides to flatten your tires, or shoot into your house.... That would taint my working relationship, I believe.......

citizen01

I know someone that makes about 100,000 and pays about 15,000 to the union and doesn't get memorial day paid. IMO that is ridiculous. That is my only experience with unions.

seattledave

what's ridiculous, the 100,000 a year or the 15,000 in payouts?
what's his profession? What would be their likely income if they weren't union?

citizen01

He is an electrician. Currently he is a foreman. It is ridiculous that he pays that much and does not have everything remotely close to a holiday paid. Shoot, for 15k+ a year I want sundays paid

seattledave

yeah, so he's grossly overpaid, even in a place like socal. I am friends with abuot half a dozen union electricians myself.

When I was 18, i was working as an working non-union apprentice with a friend of mine who was a journeyman electircian, and because he was non-union, he was making $14 an hour. If he was union, he would have been GUARANTEED $27.50 an hour, sure at 14 he may have been getting slighty underpaid(compared to the type of work he did), but 27.50 is near twice overpaid, and paying a mere 15% of your income to get paid double what you probably should, is a trade off anyone i know would do.
This was back in 99-2000, but sadly pay hasn't gone up much for anyone since then.

i realise they get paid that much, i had an electrian friend last year go to california to make 110k in like 7 months.

citizen01

If there are any EMTs around (I am certified but chose a more lucrative career), you can go work on an oil rig in alaska and make about 250k a year. Supposedly, I heard it from a fire chief.

hotbox05

hmm . i am certified in almost all areas. a course or two plus a refresher and bam 250k.

citizen01

Yeah... my class was one of the first in socal to have to take the national exam rather than just the county. You?

hotbox05

when i did my stuff (about three years ago) I took a county test. as well as all the boring american red cross things. heck at one point I had like 8 or 9 different red cross things , as well as licensed lifeguard in three different ways. that way if I did my job incorrectly I would be legally liable! yay.

luckinly never had much more than a boring rescue here and there.

my ex and i did that then we both went different direction. she went and became an emt just to quit cause of getting sick while riding in ambulances , I was an emergency response driver.


hmm might be worth a semester at jc again .

Madzozs

I belong to a civil service union. It's complete garbage currently. I work nights and weekends and since that isn't into our actual contract, the place I work for tried to take advantage of it. I got screwed because the union wouldn't back me up. I lost out on half of my vacation time this past year and they tried to screw me out of holidays as well. Luckily I have just over a month and I'm out.

hotbox05

yeah my buddy is in an engineers union and they went on strike but since he couldn't stand to lose his job or stop making money (baby on the way) he kept working. just so as his coworkers could strike and get NOTHING out of it. no pay increase , no nothing! stupid.

hotbox05

yeah my buddy is in an engineers union and they went on strike but since he couldn't stand to lose his job or stop making money (baby on the way) he kept working. just so as his coworkers could strike and get NOTHING out of it. no pay increase , no nothing! stupid.