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#42
Just like will said, e4's arent leadership positions. They are expected to know their job and seeing as how he has school that makes him proficient that is why they promote him to E4. As far as FistsClenched saying that the army and marines being filled with idiots, F*_k yourself. What about people coming into the military as an officer because they went to college? Thats a lot worse than an E4.
#43
Originally Posted by lil_will
I don't understand what the big deal is about the Army letting people come in as E4's. As an E4 you are not expected to lead anybody you are just expected to do your job. If he is already proficient in his job than why not let him come in as an E4?
Originally Posted by Higgy
Just like will said, e4's arent leadership positions. They are expected to know their job and seeing as how he has school that makes him proficient that is why they promote him to E4. As far as FistsClenched saying that the army and marines being filled with idiots, F*_k yourself. What about people coming into the military as an officer because they went to college? Thats a lot worse than an E4.
Here is evidence of dumb marines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z1jClTKfxw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0evZ0mf8SNw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncJZr97X4pc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_bXMoL-o0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCZqquCQJxg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeI7JrTICF0
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I can understand getting E4. No big deal. Only issue I see with it it, is whats the point of rank structure of its surpassed??
Its the whole we will give you E5 with less than a year in that surprises and ____es me off.
I do deployments with the Army. I am a E6 select right now, but still an E5. That means that if I deploy and there are E5 Army guys there that have been in less than a year, that they will have the same say as me, who has put 9 years in? Thats insane!!!!
At 1 year in the military, no one has anyclue in the world what is going on. E5s are Convoy commanders now adays. Thats scary!!!
Its the whole we will give you E5 with less than a year in that surprises and ____es me off.
I do deployments with the Army. I am a E6 select right now, but still an E5. That means that if I deploy and there are E5 Army guys there that have been in less than a year, that they will have the same say as me, who has put 9 years in? Thats insane!!!!
At 1 year in the military, no one has anyclue in the world what is going on. E5s are Convoy commanders now adays. Thats scary!!!
#45
In the army there are 2 E4 ranks. Specialist and Corporals. When you go from E3 to E4 you become a specialist. They arent considered leadership. They just know their job. If there is a need for a NCO (leadership) but they just dont have any E5s, they can laterally promoted a specialist to a corporal which means he becomes a leader. Getting promoted from E1 to E4 is all based on behavior and time in service. To become an E5 you have to have behavior, time in service, time in grade (as anE4), be recommended for promotion by your supervisors, pass a board, and then make points for promotion. You will not and can not become an E5 with one year in the army. Getting your E5 with 3 years in is the minimum. To classify everybody in the army or marines as idiots is idiotic within itself. Ive seen my fair share of idiots in the navy and airforce as well. All the branches have idiots.
#46
I think the thing to understand here is that all the services are different. Like Higgy said, a SPC (E4) is not really in charge of anything. Once you are an E4 that is when you start to learn how to lead. He will not make E5 until he has shown the ability to be a leader and has met the other prerequisites.
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I agree about the idiot comments but pointless. I am not even going to comment on them because to classify any group of people as idiots as a whole is well, idiotic!!!!
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Originally Posted by Nick06tC
I agree about the idiot comments but pointless. I am not even going to comment on them because to classify any group of people as idiots as a whole is well, idiotic!!!!
Originally Posted by Higgy
. . . To classify everybody in the army or marines as idiots is idiotic within itself. . .
#50
Originally Posted by lil_will
Oh, and BTW the idiot comment was way out of line. If you think there are not "idiots" in the Air Force and Navy than you are sadly mistaken.
I would also like to say that the Marines hold an untouched record at the French Foreign Legions obstacle course. They currently hold the record for slowest time through the course at over 7 hours. The French Foreign Legion has to do it in less than 45 minutes. I had to get that little bash in there.
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Originally Posted by xFistsClenchedx
Originally Posted by Higgy
If you have college credits you can join the army as an E4.
whats so hard to understand, as few ppl stated i get E-3 because i hav 90 credits and E-4 because they DO NOT have to teach me the language, i already have the training for that...
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Originally Posted by xFistsClenchedx
Originally Posted by lil_will
Oh, and BTW the idiot comment was way out of line. If you think there are not "idiots" in the Air Force and Navy than you are sadly mistaken.
I would also like to say that the Marines hold an untouched record at the French Foreign Legions obstacle course. They currently hold the record for slowest time through the course at over 7 hours. The French Foreign Legion has to do it in less than 45 minutes. I had to get that little bash in there.
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heh . . . I see we found one of those idiots in the Air Force. Does that mean I can say that the Air Force is full of idiots? Would that be fair to Nick or any other Air Force people out there?
#55
Originally Posted by lil_will
You are honestly going to compare the United States Marine Corps with the French Foreign Legion!? Wow the French Foreign Legion is great at THEIR OWN obstacle course imagine that.
I'm not going to go back on what I said. The US Marines are literally not paid to think. I found that out when we were talking about how we'd approach someone trying to leap over a fence at US CENTCOM. As the guy started to climb the fence the Air Force would yell at him to stop and try to get him to stop verbally, then if he kept climbing or got over the fence they'd shoot him. Shooting would be the last resort. The Marines approach is that once he started to climb the fence, they would shoot him. Shooting would be their first approach.
#56
I could care less if you go back on what you said or not. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. That being said I think you are an idiot. Downgrading an entire service because of a few people you worked with... please.
#57
Originally Posted by lil_will
I could care less if you go back on what you said or not. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. That being said I think you are an idiot. Downgrading an entire service because of a few people you worked with... please.
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Originally Posted by Higgy
Another resort overseas is the Airforce base in Qatar. Good god, I got stuck there on the way home for R&R and I thought for sure I won some kind of vacation.