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08-14-2004 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mattman
Hey scion cop, newbie here and awaiting my own tC, like yourself....
One question. It really irks me when I see ploice vehicles speeding without lights on. Yes, I know that they have the option to go to a scene without lights/sirens if the situation isn't severe enough. They are allowed to go over the speed limit by a certian amount for this. But, cops have jurisdiction, right? If a cop that was many towns over from his/her normal town's jurisdiction, are they allowed to speed? They can't possibly be going to a call, especially if they are headed away from their own town. This bothers me and I wonder if you could tell me the laws, at least your state's, regarding when a ploice officer is allowed to speed and not allowed to speed.
By the way, I live in RI, so if you know that state's laws too, cool.
One question. It really irks me when I see ploice vehicles speeding without lights on. Yes, I know that they have the option to go to a scene without lights/sirens if the situation isn't severe enough. They are allowed to go over the speed limit by a certian amount for this. But, cops have jurisdiction, right? If a cop that was many towns over from his/her normal town's jurisdiction, are they allowed to speed? They can't possibly be going to a call, especially if they are headed away from their own town. This bothers me and I wonder if you could tell me the laws, at least your state's, regarding when a ploice officer is allowed to speed and not allowed to speed.
By the way, I live in RI, so if you know that state's laws too, cool.
S 1104. Authorized emergency vehicles. (a) The driver of an authorized
emergency vehicle, when involved in an emergency operation, may exercise
the privileges set forth in this section, but subject to the conditions
herein stated.
(b) The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle may:
1. Stop, stand or park irrespective of the provisions of this title;
2. Proceed past a steady red signal, a flashing red signal or a stop
sign, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe
operation;
3. Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as he does not endanger
life or property;
4. Disregard regulations governing directions of movement or turning
in specified directions.
(c) Except for an authorized emergency vehicle operated as a police
vehicle or bicycle, the exemptions herein granted to an authorized
emergency vehicle shall apply only when audible signals are sounded from
any said vehicle while in motion by bell, horn, siren, electronic device
or exhaust whistle as may be reasonably necessary, and when the vehicle
is equipped with at least one lighted lamp so that from any direction,
under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of five hundred feet
from such vehicle, at least one red light will be displayed and visible.
(d) An authorized emergency vehicle operated as a police, sheriff or
deputy sheriff vehicle may exceed the maximum speed limits for the
purpose of calibrating such vehicles` speedometer. Notwithstanding any
other law, rule or regulation to the contrary, a police, sheriff or
deputy sheriff bicycle operated as an authorized emergency vehicle shall
not be prohibited from using any sidewalk, highway, street or roadway
during an emergency operation.
(e) The foregoing provisions shall not relieve the driver of an
authorized emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for
the safety of all persons, nor shall such provisions protect the driver
from the consequences of his reckless disregard for the safety of
others.
(f) Notwithstanding any other law, rule or regulation to the contrary,
an ambulance operated in the course of an emergency shall not be
prohibited from using any highway, street or roadway; provided, however,
that an authority having jurisdiction over any such highway, street or
roadway may specifically prohibit travel thereon by ambulances if such
authority shall deem such travel to be extremely hazardous and would
endanger patients being transported thereby.
emergency vehicle, when involved in an emergency operation, may exercise
the privileges set forth in this section, but subject to the conditions
herein stated.
(b) The driver of an authorized emergency vehicle may:
1. Stop, stand or park irrespective of the provisions of this title;
2. Proceed past a steady red signal, a flashing red signal or a stop
sign, but only after slowing down as may be necessary for safe
operation;
3. Exceed the maximum speed limits so long as he does not endanger
life or property;
4. Disregard regulations governing directions of movement or turning
in specified directions.
(c) Except for an authorized emergency vehicle operated as a police
vehicle or bicycle, the exemptions herein granted to an authorized
emergency vehicle shall apply only when audible signals are sounded from
any said vehicle while in motion by bell, horn, siren, electronic device
or exhaust whistle as may be reasonably necessary, and when the vehicle
is equipped with at least one lighted lamp so that from any direction,
under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of five hundred feet
from such vehicle, at least one red light will be displayed and visible.
(d) An authorized emergency vehicle operated as a police, sheriff or
deputy sheriff vehicle may exceed the maximum speed limits for the
purpose of calibrating such vehicles` speedometer. Notwithstanding any
other law, rule or regulation to the contrary, a police, sheriff or
deputy sheriff bicycle operated as an authorized emergency vehicle shall
not be prohibited from using any sidewalk, highway, street or roadway
during an emergency operation.
(e) The foregoing provisions shall not relieve the driver of an
authorized emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for
the safety of all persons, nor shall such provisions protect the driver
from the consequences of his reckless disregard for the safety of
others.
(f) Notwithstanding any other law, rule or regulation to the contrary,
an ambulance operated in the course of an emergency shall not be
prohibited from using any highway, street or roadway; provided, however,
that an authority having jurisdiction over any such highway, street or
roadway may specifically prohibit travel thereon by ambulances if such
authority shall deem such travel to be extremely hazardous and would
endanger patients being transported thereby.
This is not to say that they are not bound to exercise due care. You can't just barrel through stop signs etc. But you can't even do that with you emergency lights activated. You need to proceed in a safe manner, regardless.
08-14-2004 | 07:11 PM
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I have heard that if you get a speeding ticket and you overpay it (say by $1), then you will receive a refund check from the issuing party. then if you don't cash the refund check that the ticket will never clear the system and never get posted onto your MVR. Is this true or an urban myth?
08-14-2004 | 07:11 PM
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Mattman / Speeding (Bota)
Bota I believe Mattman was refering to "non police related" speeding out of jursidiction.
Mattman, a police emergency vehicle out of jurisdiction that is not under any kind of detail requiring him / her to perform a Police duty falls under all Laws applicable to Civilian vehicles. That means that technicaly that Cruiser can be stopped and the driver can be issued Enforcement Action.
Real World.... The chances are extremely unlikely that a police cruiser will get stopped by another Police Officer. Simple truth.
ScionCop
Mattman, a police emergency vehicle out of jurisdiction that is not under any kind of detail requiring him / her to perform a Police duty falls under all Laws applicable to Civilian vehicles. That means that technicaly that Cruiser can be stopped and the driver can be issued Enforcement Action.
Real World.... The chances are extremely unlikely that a police cruiser will get stopped by another Police Officer. Simple truth.
ScionCop
08-14-2004 | 07:14 PM
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Showroom / $1
LOL Sounds like a myth all the way.
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08-14-2004 | 07:58 PM
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well, gotta get to the bank and cash $50 in $1 checks. 
08-14-2004 | 11:02 PM
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oh you should just do what I do.
I flag down cops all of the time and get them to pull over. Then I, very politely, inform them that their turn signals do not appear to be functioning properly. "I was riding behind you and you changed lanes 3 times, but niether your left nor your right signal appears to be working properly."
Then usually they get this weird look on their face like, "is this guy f*cking with me?" and when I stay there with a concerned look on my face they say, "umm, thanks." and they go on their way. :D
I flag down cops all of the time and get them to pull over. Then I, very politely, inform them that their turn signals do not appear to be functioning properly. "I was riding behind you and you changed lanes 3 times, but niether your left nor your right signal appears to be working properly."
Then usually they get this weird look on their face like, "is this guy f*cking with me?" and when I stay there with a concerned look on my face they say, "umm, thanks." and they go on their way. :D
08-14-2004 | 11:38 PM
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Blackcherry / lights
Ha Ha Ha Stop Lying!! You know you don't do that. Funny though!!!!
Try that with me and I'll have you sent to the hospital under an Emergency Committal. They'll keep you for 72 hours while they probe every cavity in your body. Now that would be funny.
ScionCop
Try that with me and I'll have you sent to the hospital under an Emergency Committal. They'll keep you for 72 hours while they probe every cavity in your body. Now that would be funny.
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08-14-2004 | 11:42 PM
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no for real, I've actually done it a few times. I follow traffic laws, and I think it is only acceptable that law enforcement do as well.
I only have 1 non-parking ticket in my 7 years of driving. It was a speeding ticket on an open highway at 1:30 am. I was tired, on my way home from work, and didn't notice my speed until I saw the spotlight in my mirror. :D
But I am always completely nice and, seemingly, honest and meaningful in what I am telling them. I am not interested in a battle of egos, "hey f*cker use your turn signal" "I don't have to I'm a f*cking cop" . I'm not interested in upsetting a person who I know has a gun and a stick.
I only have 1 non-parking ticket in my 7 years of driving. It was a speeding ticket on an open highway at 1:30 am. I was tired, on my way home from work, and didn't notice my speed until I saw the spotlight in my mirror. :D
But I am always completely nice and, seemingly, honest and meaningful in what I am telling them. I am not interested in a battle of egos, "hey f*cker use your turn signal" "I don't have to I'm a f*cking cop" . I'm not interested in upsetting a person who I know has a gun and a stick.
08-15-2004 | 03:18 AM
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Truth is that I am the worst driver there is out there. Before I became a Cop I drove like any other normal person with road etiquette.
Once I became a Cop and had to go from code 1 to code 3 responses there was no going back. My wife is always smacking me upside my head (Because she can) telling me to slow down and to take it easy. "Your off duty slow the F-ck down" She tells me all the time.
It's just something that the job does to you. It's not an abuse of authority but a graduall transformation developed by day after day of high speed pursuits, emergency assists, working midnights when no one else is awake ect.
Do you really think I'm waiting at all those red lights when no one else is on the road and my buddy is on a car stop somewhere on the other side of town and I have to back him up. Cruisers are totally beat down because of us.
If you want to play games go right ahead. You just may do it to the wrong cop and end up playing your self out.
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Once I became a Cop and had to go from code 1 to code 3 responses there was no going back. My wife is always smacking me upside my head (Because she can) telling me to slow down and to take it easy. "Your off duty slow the F-ck down" She tells me all the time.
It's just something that the job does to you. It's not an abuse of authority but a graduall transformation developed by day after day of high speed pursuits, emergency assists, working midnights when no one else is awake ect.
Do you really think I'm waiting at all those red lights when no one else is on the road and my buddy is on a car stop somewhere on the other side of town and I have to back him up. Cruisers are totally beat down because of us.
If you want to play games go right ahead. You just may do it to the wrong cop and end up playing your self out.
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08-16-2004 | 08:22 PM
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Hey Eddie, do you have to pay to drive your cruiser? One of my tenants is training to be on the force and I asked him if he was getting a car. He said "Hell no, they make you pay for it!" He told me the department takes some amount of money out of your checks. Just curious if it's the same up there.
08-16-2004 | 09:37 PM
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this is probably just an urban legend, but I want to know for sure before I get my ___ kicked for it.
In Pennsylvania, state troopers wear those "mountie" hats. I have been told that if a state trooper stops you and approaches your car without their hat, they are "out of uniform"; akin to not displaying a badge. As the story goes, if this happens, you can simply remind the officer that they are out of uniform and they can't give you a ticket.
I'm guessing this is bull____, but I would love to try to get out of a ticket because of it, even though it would probably get me arrested.
In Pennsylvania, state troopers wear those "mountie" hats. I have been told that if a state trooper stops you and approaches your car without their hat, they are "out of uniform"; akin to not displaying a badge. As the story goes, if this happens, you can simply remind the officer that they are out of uniform and they can't give you a ticket.
I'm guessing this is bull____, but I would love to try to get out of a ticket because of it, even though it would probably get me arrested.
08-16-2004 | 10:49 PM
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im just full of questions as of late, but say someone was to install a loud speaker into there car similiar to those on patrol cars, is that illegal as in impersonating a police officer, or is it cool to have an use on the street,? or is it like neons where you can have it just dont use it while the car is in motion, or is it just a big no-no
^run on sentence i know :oops:
thanks
^run on sentence i know :oops:
thanks
08-17-2004 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ZoomBy
im just full of questions as of late, but say someone was to install a loud speaker into there car similiar to those on patrol cars, is that illegal as in impersonating a police officer, or is it cool to have an use on the street,? or is it like neons where you can have it just dont use it while the car is in motion, or is it just a big no-no
^run on sentence i know :oops:
thanks
^run on sentence i know :oops:
thanks
impersonating an emergency vehicle
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08-17-2004 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by beioski
this is probably just an urban legend, but I want to know for sure before I get my ___ kicked for it.
In Pennsylvania, state troopers wear those "mountie" hats. I have been told that if a state trooper stops you and approaches your car without their hat, they are "out of uniform"; akin to not displaying a badge. As the story goes, if this happens, you can simply remind the officer that they are out of uniform and they can't give you a ticket.
I'm guessing this is bull____, but I would love to try to get out of a ticket because of it, even though it would probably get me arrested.
In Pennsylvania, state troopers wear those "mountie" hats. I have been told that if a state trooper stops you and approaches your car without their hat, they are "out of uniform"; akin to not displaying a badge. As the story goes, if this happens, you can simply remind the officer that they are out of uniform and they can't give you a ticket.
I'm guessing this is bull____, but I would love to try to get out of a ticket because of it, even though it would probably get me arrested.
08-17-2004 | 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by komik_tC
Hey Eddie, do you have to pay to drive your cruiser? One of my tenants is training to be on the force and I asked him if he was getting a car. He said "Hell no, they make you pay for it!" He told me the department takes some amount of money out of your checks. Just curious if it's the same up there.
08-17-2004 | 06:34 AM
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ok this is a real serious question, and would like your help if you can, ok here i go
my cousin was driving her boyfriends car and she hit another lady at about 5mph from the back, her boyfriend did not currently have insurrance on the car and she did not have insurrance of her own, my cousin got a ticket for no insurrance and driving to close, she paid the ticket, now this happened in june, today her boyfriend got a letter in the mail from the lady my cousin hits insurrance company saying that he is responsible for the damages to the car his girlfriend hit, now my question is can that be done? isnt that what insurrance is for so if you get hit by an uninsurred driver they will cover it? thats why people pay so much a month for it, incase something like that happens, correct?
my cousin was driving her boyfriends car and she hit another lady at about 5mph from the back, her boyfriend did not currently have insurrance on the car and she did not have insurrance of her own, my cousin got a ticket for no insurrance and driving to close, she paid the ticket, now this happened in june, today her boyfriend got a letter in the mail from the lady my cousin hits insurrance company saying that he is responsible for the damages to the car his girlfriend hit, now my question is can that be done? isnt that what insurrance is for so if you get hit by an uninsurred driver they will cover it? thats why people pay so much a month for it, incase something like that happens, correct?
08-17-2004 | 12:31 PM
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i figured out my question scioncop!!!!
can a cop pull someone over out of their jurisdiction and if so, what are the restrictions on this?
i'm going to venture to say that most states share this law
Jeff
can a cop pull someone over out of their jurisdiction and if so, what are the restrictions on this?
i'm going to venture to say that most states share this law
Jeff
08-17-2004 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ZoomBy
ok this is a real serious question, and would like your help if you can, ok here i go
my cousin was driving her boyfriends car and she hit another lady at about 5mph from the back, her boyfriend did not currently have insurrance on the car and she did not have insurrance of her own, my cousin got a ticket for no insurrance and driving to close, she paid the ticket, now this happened in june, today her boyfriend got a letter in the mail from the lady my cousin hits insurrance company saying that he is responsible for the damages to the car his girlfriend hit, now my question is can that be done? isnt that what insurrance is for so if you get hit by an uninsurred driver they will cover it? thats why people pay so much a month for it, incase something like that happens, correct?
my cousin was driving her boyfriends car and she hit another lady at about 5mph from the back, her boyfriend did not currently have insurrance on the car and she did not have insurrance of her own, my cousin got a ticket for no insurrance and driving to close, she paid the ticket, now this happened in june, today her boyfriend got a letter in the mail from the lady my cousin hits insurrance company saying that he is responsible for the damages to the car his girlfriend hit, now my question is can that be done? isnt that what insurrance is for so if you get hit by an uninsurred driver they will cover it? thats why people pay so much a month for it, incase something like that happens, correct?
08-17-2004 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by xboxPS2
i figured out my question scioncop!!!!
can a cop pull someone over out of their jurisdiction and if so, what are the restrictions on this?
i'm going to venture to say that most states share this law
Jeff
can a cop pull someone over out of their jurisdiction and if so, what are the restrictions on this?
i'm going to venture to say that most states share this law
Jeff
There must be a crime (Not a traffic infraction of simple violation of law) committed in your presence to make an arrest without a warrant outside of your geographical area of jurisdiction.
08-17-2004 | 06:13 PM
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thats what i dont understand though, whats the point then to pay extra in insurrance for if someone hits you and they are not covered if that extra money you are paying is just going to come from the driver that hit you anyway, you might as well not have insurrance and just sue the person who hit you, because basically then what your saying is joe blow pays an extra 200 a month incase an uninsurred motorist hits him he wont have to pay for damages, his insurrance company pays for the damage( thats why he pays the extra 200 EVERY month) now the insurrance company will remain getting that extra 200 a month PLUS the money they just gave to joe blow to repair his car from the driver, the insurrance company is not loosing any money they are gaining it, and to me that doesnt sound fair and/or legal, the reason someone pays insurrance is so there is money to pay for damages caused JUST INCASE something happens, theres people who pay insurrance there whole life and never need it, thus wasting money, especially wasting money if the insurrance company they are paying is just pocketing that money and not spending it on helping another motorist who needs it, and besides all that if someone was to use my gun to kill someone would i go to jail for murder because its my gun