sdsnybny

iTrader: (1)

going back for a full repaint the Thoroughbred contacted PPG and it seems there are some issues with the paint and how its mixed. going back to a rental car damn but my car will look right this time PPG will see to it.

also visited my Scion dealer today and there contacting corporate about the possible mix-up ......so if you got a penny don't buy any paint till this is resolved i don't want anybody else going through this headache

Thanks Thoroughbred

Kanchi

iTrader: (4)

Thats too bad...so...uh...wanna trade engine covers and have them paint the new one correctly?

dibbz

omg. these pics made me wanna bawl like a baby! and yes the pics dont do this color justice. the brighter the sun the more it makes you walk around it...lol i really like the envy green but when i seen this color i had to have one....btw kewl avatar sdsnybny.

sdsnybny

iTrader: (1)

boy whats it take to match this paint correctly????
went to see the test panels that were painted by PPG techs Thursday, guess what???
same as the car still don't flip,flip,flip.....flip arghhhh. they couldn't believe it. so they asked to see the car and we took factory painted sides off and left at shop so they could see the flip for themselves. this time the owner of Thoroughbred came down to see the problem. His eyes got so huge when he realized the extent of color change that this paint does green/gold/copper/bronze/root beer/Burgundy. He personally called PPG rep to confirm that it test panels didn't flip. to show the diff i set a panel on roof in 67 deg bright sun and the car was just washed. it just set there while the roof was so bright green/gold. ill bet some one in corp PPG is scratching head on this one.

Fishonabike

Dang Steve...

Hopefully now they'll get their collective acts together and get it done.

dibbz

omg hmmmm i hope they get it figuered out but yea there are alot of diffrent colors in that paint .it's amazing the colors i see in diffrent light and what not. then after you wash it and before drying!!! with the water beads woooooow talk about color... but yea dang man hope they get stuff straightened out for ya man... good luck keep us posted.. and my wife laughs her butt off when i park way out to heck n gone at some stores and things huh!!!

kkawana

wow... that sux.... glad they are still working on it... but sheez...

Guest

I so hope that they get it right for you. That so sucks. One of my customers jsut had theirs repaired and it looks like they did an awesome job, all the colors show up just like they are supposed to, and she is very happy.

Tomas

Any idea what brand of paint was used in her RS4 repair, Victor? (Or at least what shop did the work so Thoroughbred can talk with them a bit?)

Tom

Guest

it was DeGrazia's auto Body here on Lake City way. I believe they used the dupont paint. But they were explaining to me that it is not so much the paint as a texture then you clear coat the top of that with infused pearl. That is what is supposed to do the Mazorie paint. They did a lot of the ford cars when the Mustang came out with the blue paint that was similar. Good luck I understand that it is a very dificult paint job to match.

Tomas

JDSU is the company that makes the color-shift portion of the Nippon Paint Maziora Torched Penny color used on the RS4. Here is the JDSU news release telling about this: JDSU Scion RS4.0 News Releaase.

Here is a quick overview of the color-shift pigments from JDSU: ChromaFlair Overview

Now that I have that little detail figured out, here is a page of PDFs about use and care of the finishes that use JDSU's "ChromaFlair" color-shift pigments: ChromaFlair Product Literature

The JDSU site also has contact information on it for the paint folks (not end users) to use.

Good luck!!!

Tom

Guest

that is totaly awsome Tomas and much better than I had. I am not sure how the body shop did it over here. But all I know is that it worked. I hope that you get it fixed right next time and this does not drag on forever.

Tomas

(Can one of the dealership types confirm the ACTUAL paint code on the RS4?

I understand the base color is 3R2, but shouldn't this be a two part code that shows which ChromaFlair pigments are added? Something like 3R2/000?

Just a thought. His poor Torched Penny looks like it is base coat only with no color flip at all.

Tom

Guest

the only thing that they have gien us is the 3r2 coding, how ever i will try and go find the paint schedual that they gave us with all the companies that carried the paint

Guest

xB RS 4.0 is out and looks to be a hit with our customers. We have noticed some chatter on the web
regarding the special Torched Penny paint and its repairability. I wanted to provide you with some first
hand information and dispel some of the rumors.
• Yes, the paint does cost more than normal paint
Why = It is due to the special color changing characteristics (high pigmentation) of the paint
• No, you do not need to re-paint the whole car if you get into an accident or get a scratch.
Why = Due to the color changing paint it is actually easier to blend and match than traditional
paints (its harder to see the painting mistakes). Spot painting instructions are attached.
• No, the color is not difficult to match
Why = Due to the color changing paint it is actually easier to blend and match than traditional paints
(it’s harder to see the painting mistakes).
• Yes, there are paint companies offering this paint for repairs.
I am pleased to announce that all of the paint companies listed below have successfully achieved color
matches for the Scion xB 3R2 "Torched Penny" color.
• PPG - 10/6/06 - completed with successful color match
• BASF - 9/4/06 - completed with successful color match
• Sherwin Williams - 10/17/06 - completed with successful color match
• DuPont - 11/10/06 - completed with successful color match
• Akzo Nobel - 11/09/06 - completed with successful color match
See attached paint repair application guide that was produced by Nippon Paint, the manufacturer of
Maziora.
See attached marketing information that was created by Nippon Paint that helps to explain the Maziroa
paint (please excuse some of the grammar, the info is good though).
Formula
262
82
162
130
30
12
155
167
1000
Caution
280
T3R2
611
NEO MICA BASE 35K (SILICA
COPPER)-30% PIGMENT
FIRST VIOLET
TINTING BLACK
IRON RED
<<Block Paint Application >>
Primer Treatment 1.Repair defect parts in a conventional manner.
Degreasing/Cleaning
1. Hold a "Silicon Off" absorbed cloth in one hand, and a
dry cloth in the other hand.
2. Wipe off before it dries. Carefully wipe off dust with
tack rag again immediately before finishing.
Repeat this process 2-3 times.
To ensure proper adhesion, final sand with #800
paper wet.
2
Guideline
1
【Paint Formulation "Torched Penny"】
Nax Admila by Nippon Paint
No Basic Color
3
477
06E
ADJUSTING CLEAR
MAZIORA BASE RG (CHROMA
FLAIR RZD/GOLD)-10%
CHROMAFLAIR
901
151
SKASHI BALANCER (FLIP FLOP
CONTROLLER)
395
1. Correct thinner adjustment.
2. Wide pattern overlapping.
3. Spray medium coats allowing ample flash time
between coats until color is achieved.
4. Check for mottling with bright light.
【Spraying】
Coating
Pressure
Paint
Adjustment
Gun Distance
Paint Film
Thickness
0.15-0.25 mpa (21.8-36.3 psi)
TOTAL
With Thinner 80-100%
** Tinting Point**
Process
1.5-2.5
10-20cm (3.9-7.8 in)
15-20
Paint Application "Torched Penny"
Basic Color without Maziora is very important for flip flop
color match.
BINDER
4 Clear coat and cure using normal procedures. Clear / Cure
Torched Penny Repair Paint Application Guideline-Admila
Page 1 of 2
Torched Penny
Clear
Primer Coating
（#800 Wet Sanding）
3
Formula
262
82
162
130
30
12
155
167
1000
Caution
Fadeout Paint "Torched Penny"
Primer Treatment 1 1. Repair defect parts in a conventional manner.
2. To ensure proper adhesion, final sand with #800 paper
wet extending beyond repair area.
Final sand with #800 paper wet.
<<Spot Paint Application>>
Process Guideline
2 Degreasing/Cleaning
1. Hold a "Silicon Off" absorbed cloth in one hand, and a
dry cloth in the other hand.
Repeat this process 2-3 times.
2. Apply cleaner to repair area and wipe off before it dries.
Carefully wipe off dust with tack rag again immediately
before finishing.
No Basic Color
280 ADJUSTING CLEAR
T3R2
MAZIORA BASE RG (CHROMA
FLAIR RZD/GOLD)-10%
CHROMAFLAIR
611 TINTING BLACK
477 IRON RED
06E
NEO MICA BASE 35K (SILICA
COPPER)-30% PIGMENT
395 FIRST VIOLET
151
SKASHI BALANCER (FLIP FLOP
CONTROLLER)
901 BINDER
TOTAL
With Thinner 80-100%
Basic Color without Maziora is very important for flip flop
color match.
【Spraying】
Coating
Pressure
0.15-0.25 mpa (21.8-36.3 psi)
4 Clear / Cure Clear coat and cure using normal procedures.
Paint Film
Thickness
15-20
To ensure proper adhesion, final sand with #800
paper wet.
【Paint Formulation "Torched Penny"】Nax
Admila by Nippon Paint
1. Spray medium coats allowing five minutes flash
time between coats until color is achieved.
2. Extend spray area out farther with each coat.
Paint
Adjustment
1.5-2.5
Gun Distance 10-20cm (3.9-7.8 in)
** Tinting Point**
Repair
Area
5cm 10cm　　　20cm
(1.96in)(3.9in) (7.87in)
Fade
out 1
Fade
out 2
Fade
out 3
Page 2 of 2
Q
Q
2 1
Q
Q
MAZIORA is a combination of the Latin word for magic-“Magia” and “Aurora”
that is an ultimate gradation found in nature. The word “G” in Magiora has
changed to “Z” to emphasize the brand image and express the ultimate
gradation.
“MAZIORA” is a registered trademark for NIPPON PAINT Co., Ltd.
MAZIORA pigments (powder) are
colorless and translucent that was
originally developed for the forgery
countermeasures. When light shine on
the pigments, it disperses light into a
spectrum like prism and generates
interference wavelength (color). The
mechanism is similar to wings of the
butterfly, jewel beetle and bubbles.
1) If you scratch the car...
You do not need to repaint the entire car. It is possible to repair partially
or repaint some parts. MAZIORA is accepted by auto insurance companies.
2) If you would like to install parts later...
There is a repair package color “MAZIORA TORCHED PENNY” for any
installments of additional parts.
The basic paint application process is the same. There are unique
characteristics of MAZIORA pigments. Let’s compare.
MAZIORA can generally apply to any surface. We have been promoting
MAZIORA brand in many industries. Takuya Kurosawa won the
Championship last year in the 4th year of riding “MAZIORA Altezza” at
the Super Endurance Race. Many musicians also use instruments with
MAZIORA colors.
Why does “MAZIORA” color change with the angle?
What does “MAZIORA” mean?
Does it difficult to repair the paint with so much color shift?
What is the difference between pearl and metallic?
Does MAZIORA work for anything other than cars?
One-point Advice of Paint Application
August 2006
Q
A
A
A
A
A
MAZIORA pigments
Metallic Paint
clearcoat
pigment
basecoat
Pearl Paint
clearcoat
pigment
basecoat
MAZIORA
clearcoat
pigment
basecoat
SCION xB MAZIORA

Guest

ok sorry but that is directly copied from the our website, if some one can make it look better I can email them the piece, it is actually kinda cool with it's graphs and all.

But I need an email addy

Tomas

Well, I can give it a try - no guarantees.

scion@tijil.org

Tom

Guest

alright Tomas it is on it's way

Tomas

OK, right now I have the .pdf file hosted on one of my servers, and anyone who wants it can grab a copy here:

http://tijil.org/scion_torched_penny_repair.pdf

If someone needs .jpg images of the pages, I can do that, too, but I believe the PDF is a better choice, especially if someone wants to print it out.

(I'll be working on getting the .pdf file hosted on ScionLife, and putting something up in the tech section. Should be up, probably, sometime this weekend.)

Tom

Guest

Tomas thank you so much for all of your help. I hope that everyone uses this information well, it is really kinda cool reading how they repaint and all.

I hope that the people finally working on your car get it right. Good luck sdsnybny. I hope that you can use this information