Tu is da man, great pics.

 

Everyone at work loved the pics Tu :D

 

Whomever's car this is....I think I saw you on I-5 Sunday afternoon, as I was heading back up from Oregon. Can't miss those yellow fogs

 

 

kalel...that last picture is amazing...i like it alot......power to the S!

 

dude, holy crap, awesome pic Kalel!

 

is that the big shwag with supergirl?? Love the vinyl on the hood, first pic I saw of it, looking good Chase

 

im sorry...but i wouldnt let a bunch of "models" get on my car, they jus mess everything up

 

im sorry...but i wouldnt let a bunch of "models" get on my car, they jus mess everything up, however i would let them in somewhere else

 

That was me, so Hi!

 

the only other car I would own (at that price)

















ok ok, im done.. there are a few more on my site.. click NEW NEW gallery in my sig.[/list]

 

Seeing as I was at the show with Car Nutz, but wearing my SE shirt... I think there should be more love there. Scooter didn't just pull the idea out of his bum 'hey I'm going to close my shop for a day and take all my cars and a bunch of customer/employee cars to a car show' he was invited with great enthusiasm from the production staff to "put on a show". With out his cars there, I believe that Import Motion would have been a really boring show to attend for the general public, which IS who shows are for. And for what its worth, I think that for most of the public when and where else are you going to see that many exotics, be they modified or stock.

An additional note, not one of the car nutz cars was worth more than the most expensive hot rod on the other side of the show, actually more like, it'd take all of the cars Scooter owned there to equal the cost of one of the top hot rods on the other side of the show. Food for thought.

And for anyone who doesn't know, Car Nutz as previously mentioned is a very cool shop, with a very unique and talented crew, well worth your time if you ever want to go to a shop. Their prices are actually competitive with most other shops in the area. They are an authorized dealer/distributor for TEIN, Greddy, Mackin and other import products. To date, I bought my HIDs, Nitto tires, and a few other items from there. They are currently one of the only shops I can think of that has successfully turbo charged an xB using the Greddy turbo kit (by shop I'm referring to Joel). Joel also informed me that they can get the Greddy supercharger kit now too, which apparently with the emanage ultimate preprogrammed is pretty much plug and play. They are also responsible for bagging the fix Scion in the NW and one of the first in the nation (Summer/Fall 03). Finally I'll say that its been 100% worth it getting to know the people at Car Nutz, they've been there for me everytime I've needed anything.

Did anyone get a picture of the trunk setup in the Roadmaster?

 

Scooter could have just "Showed" his cars though, and not "Competed" with them... that was many of our's points...

That would have showed support for the show, and also support for the tuner comunity, by not allowing 500,000 dollar plus cars to be in the same competition as 20,000 dollar cars. It may be rule-wise permissable, but in no way is it tactful.

One sentence from Scooter to the (judges/organizers) would have been all it took to make a strong statement of support for the guys who don't have millions to spend... and that really bummed me out... He, and CarNutz, who he represents, should be in touch with the community more than anyone else, and therefore should respect the "Small Guy Tuners" and show respect to their clientel, by refraining from competing against them with supercars...

Bring every car you want in the world, just don't let any human being even dream of judging a Astin next to a Honda... That's just unnatural.

 

That's a fair point, but at the same time, whatever the car is, doesn't dictate who wins. It really doesn't matter if you have a $200,000 Astin vs a 15,000 scion. Import tuner shows are about the work done to the car. If the Astin bone stock, then it should only be judged on how clean it is, but for that'll never win out over a well done tuner car. Or should I stress SHOULDN'T, and there in lies the politics of the show scene. But say you have a Scion tC, with a custom paint job, clean properly installed body kit, a NICE set of wheels (I'm talking HRE, Kinesis, etc), complete custom stereo, custom upholstered interior, full suspension setup, and enough engine work to back up the looks, there is no reason that if presented cleaned to perfection (which IS possible for a daily driver) there is no reason that any of Scooters or any other of the wealthy people in Seattle should be able to beat you with their exotic, unless they have matched you part for part, quality to quality, craftsmenship to craftsmenship.

And if you want to get serious about showing and competing the above list of mods is basically what you'll have to do to be competitive on a national level.

Additionally there are very FEW aftermarket parts made for supercars... so everything they do typically has to be custom.

That being said, I did mention to Joel today when I stopped by the shop the general feelings of people in community, he has NO control over what Scooter does, but the message has been conveyed. ADDITIONALLY I also talked to Joel, owner of an RS 2.0 xB, and to show HIS support for the community, he agreed to help host a Scion install day at Car Nutz. We have selected a date of March 25th for this. I will start a new thread about it.

 

personally I will weigh in and say that i dont compete in any one of the classes Scooter took a trophy in and therefore, think we were lucky to have him there.

I think the shop(Car Nutz)and its management are pretty darn dedicated to supporting the community even if it is a political trophy game, I'm glad they decide to bring out the show everytime. I cant think of a single shop or club more consistent or supportive of the community.

As a side note to all of this, I have never had work done, bought anything or been around Car Nutz much at all. I just know a few of the folks casually, and know the rep they carry.

 

My opinion on this matter falls into this:

"Do you think you had a shot at any trophy that he won?"

If not, let it be. There is no need for the arguement to be brought back up over and over again. Once any of us get to that level, then we can complain but probably won't since we want good competition. I know I do.

 

I do agree with both your points... I think carnutz is a shop with a greet rep.... and they definately know what they are doing... and I like it
None of my concerns are related to me or my ride, as I'm not out to compete on that level... but, as a human who loves cars.... I couldn't imagine comparing an A/M with any of the other cars in that room, even some of the cleanest and most insanely equipped/paint jobs... it's like comparing Gold to Pyrite, no matter how much you shine up that Pyrite, it's still foolish in comparison to the real thing...
I solely think that there is another "Level" of showing and show cars in general... and establishing a barrier between one level and the other would do a large amount with the tuner community and bringing the smaller shops/individuals in...
But, morphing the supercars and the standard imports together in shows and such... really discourages and sets standards that are unreachable to about 98% of individuals out there...
That's why there is Amateur, Pro, and Senior golf tournaments.... Should be the same with Cars and consistent across shows. with Limits and Rules Governing...

Once again, I'm pretty idealistic, and hold to a entirely different mindset when it comes to most things...

 

I had fun..... my daughter had fun....
I am happy that we had the cars we had.
I wish they had a car computer class.

 

One thing that you are forgetting is that this is a very small local (Portland & Seattle...not to mention mixed with an already planned Hot Rod Show) show so there really isn't any need for that kind of classification. How many cars were there? 50? Maybe? And this ranges from some really nice cars to some with primer body kits. When you start getting to the bigger national shows, like HIN or stuff like that, you'll see more of a classification with supercars and street, mild and wild classes. But in a show like this, you can't really split everyone up.

And I know you can go back to the point where he could have said I don't want to compete. But he was asked to bring his cars to the show and compete.

And wait until one of the Canada shows. Those are all luxury exotics.


There is more to the cars shows than just bringing your car in and getting judged. As you go to more of them and become involved in them more behind the scenes, you'll start to see this. There is so much politics and BS that goes on, it's a wonder how they are still around.

If you go to HIN, I wouldn't be surprised if you decide to never go to another show after that one.

 

^That seems to be the general statement from anyone who's been in it for a while.... it's such a pity though...

IF there is any competition in need of a real standards and ethics regulation panel... I bet it's the car show circuits...