CONFIRMED: Toyota / Subaru RWD Coupe for 2011
#45
Originally Posted by 07-5spd-SprWht-tC
Originally Posted by ack154
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Hmm, 2011 huh? The tC will be paid off by 2011.
#46
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Yes, things in the UK generally cost more, despite the exchange rate. It would still be around $40k.
A good comparison is:
Mini Cooper S = $22,000 USD = €22,000 EURO = £16,245 GPB
so based on that you're looking at about $34,000 USD for the turbo version.
little pricey. lets hope that it's closer to the £10,000 mark than the £25,000...
#47
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 16,638
From: Parsippany, NJ
Originally Posted by dante
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Yes, things in the UK generally cost more, despite the exchange rate. It would still be around $40k.
A good comparison is:
Mini Cooper S = $22,000 USD = €22,000 EURO = £16,245 GPB
so based on that you're looking at about $34,000 USD for the turbo version.
little pricey. lets hope that it's closer to the £10,000 mark than the £25,000...
#48
After researchin a lil bout the boxer engine, it sounds like the best way to go would be in a mid-engine to rear-engine setup (similar to porche). Either flat-4 or flat-6 coupled on a RWD platform and perhaps an AWD option as they've suggested.
What you guys think?
What you guys think?
#49
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 16,638
From: Parsippany, NJ
It it was RWD, then yes. MR/RR would be the best bet. If it was AWD, front engine would be the best. However there are rumors of an AWD version, which means they would most likely do a F/R and F/A setup. It would be too costly to release a M/R and a F/A of the same vehicle...Either way, this is a HUGE step for Toyota. They're finally bringing back the AE86/Celica/Supra/MR2 era. Now, as long as they don't screw up the tC, we'll be okay.
#51
Initially, i've been advocating an AWD configuration but now.... RWD is looking more and more appealing. As the next gen AE86 wow.. rear-engine RWD ! In terms of rally cars i always think of sedans, but then again citron & focus has mini coupes (which i'm not suggesting in any form plz no "mini" shiet).
#52
I think this will be a smart move for toyota since they already know the scion tC owners want a more powerful awd coupe. This is a good way for toyota to keep scion tC owners in the family. If this car come to the U.S. I will part my tC and trade it in. I love my tC and if I trade her in I will miss her but it's time to take it up to the next level.
#54
2011 is quite a ways off yet... I wouldn't rule it out if you don't want to part with your tC at the moment. Things change in 3 yrs. Then again, things could change for the worse too and I could be scrapping the idea of this thing being awesome if it were to take a drastic turn downhill.
But I'm keeping an open and optimistic mind this early in the game with so little detail.
But I'm keeping an open and optimistic mind this early in the game with so little detail.
#55
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 16,638
From: Parsippany, NJ
Originally Posted by cessblood
I think this will be a smart move for toyota since they already know the scion tC owners want a more powerful awd coupe. This is a good way for toyota to keep scion tC owners in the family. If this car come to the U.S. I will part my tC and trade it in. I love my tC and if I trade her in I will miss her but it's time to take it up to the next level.
#56
By HANS GREIMEL, AUTOMOTIVE NEWS
Toyota’s long-anticipated sports car will arrive in 2011. It will be jointly developed with Subaru and boast a boxer engine.
The compact, rear-wheel-drive "affordable" car will be built at a new Japanese plant to be set up by Fuji Heavy Industries, parent of the Subaru brand.
Each company will market the car separately and badge it as its own.
The model is part of a sweeping expansion of the tie-up between the Japanese companies.
At a news conference in Tokyo on Thursday, CEO Katsuaki Watanabe also said that Toyota Motor Corp. would boost its stake in Fuji Heavy Industries to 16.5 percent, from its current 8.7 percent.
Toyota will pay 31.1 billion yen ($311 million) for the increased holding, effectively snapping up the last of the shares sold back to Fuji Heavy Industries by General Motors in 2005.
Under the growing partnership, Toyota will supply Fuji Heavy Industries with a compact car. Fuji Heavy also will start receiving mini vehicles -- cars with engines no bigger than 660 cc -- from Toyota affiliate Daihatsu, starting in 2009.
No more minicars
Fuji Heavy Industries will eventually jettison all of its own minicar development.
Under the hood of the sports car will be Subaru's trademark horizontally opposed engine. The companies did not say how many cylinders the engine will have.
The car will sit on a new Subaru platform and be designed by Toyota, the companies said.
"I think there is high potential for this car," Watanabe said, adding that it will be sold in Japan and overseas. "We haven't had a sports car for a long time. This is a long-awaited-for model."
Pricing would be "not prohibitively high," he said.
Other details, such as engine displacement and production volume, are under wraps. But Fuji Heavy Industries President Ikuo Mori said he has driven the test vehicle and is pleased.
"I'm confident we have an excellent car," Mori said.
New Fuji plant
Fuji Heavy Industries will build a plant next to its Gunma Oizumi engine and transmission factory to manufacture the sports car. It will start operation in late 2011.
Work there may expand to include other Toyota-commissioned vehicles, Mori said. Fuji Heavy Industries is deciding how big to make the plant and how much money to invest.
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota’s mid-engined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
Other sporty models over the years have included the Celica, which was discontinued in 2006, and the Supra, on the roads for nearly a quarter of a century from 1978 to 2002.
Watanabe said the success of the joint manufacturing at Fuji Heavy Industries' Lafayette, Indiana, plant pushed him to go ahead with the sports car. That plant now makes Camrys for Toyota.
"We thought what might be the next step," he said. "Fuji Heavy is a very reliable partner. I hope to identify new areas for collaboration as we continue with the relationship."
Toyota’s long-anticipated sports car will arrive in 2011. It will be jointly developed with Subaru and boast a boxer engine.
The compact, rear-wheel-drive "affordable" car will be built at a new Japanese plant to be set up by Fuji Heavy Industries, parent of the Subaru brand.
Each company will market the car separately and badge it as its own.
The model is part of a sweeping expansion of the tie-up between the Japanese companies.
At a news conference in Tokyo on Thursday, CEO Katsuaki Watanabe also said that Toyota Motor Corp. would boost its stake in Fuji Heavy Industries to 16.5 percent, from its current 8.7 percent.
Toyota will pay 31.1 billion yen ($311 million) for the increased holding, effectively snapping up the last of the shares sold back to Fuji Heavy Industries by General Motors in 2005.
Under the growing partnership, Toyota will supply Fuji Heavy Industries with a compact car. Fuji Heavy also will start receiving mini vehicles -- cars with engines no bigger than 660 cc -- from Toyota affiliate Daihatsu, starting in 2009.
No more minicars
Fuji Heavy Industries will eventually jettison all of its own minicar development.
Under the hood of the sports car will be Subaru's trademark horizontally opposed engine. The companies did not say how many cylinders the engine will have.
The car will sit on a new Subaru platform and be designed by Toyota, the companies said.
"I think there is high potential for this car," Watanabe said, adding that it will be sold in Japan and overseas. "We haven't had a sports car for a long time. This is a long-awaited-for model."
Pricing would be "not prohibitively high," he said.
Other details, such as engine displacement and production volume, are under wraps. But Fuji Heavy Industries President Ikuo Mori said he has driven the test vehicle and is pleased.
"I'm confident we have an excellent car," Mori said.
New Fuji plant
Fuji Heavy Industries will build a plant next to its Gunma Oizumi engine and transmission factory to manufacture the sports car. It will start operation in late 2011.
Work there may expand to include other Toyota-commissioned vehicles, Mori said. Fuji Heavy Industries is deciding how big to make the plant and how much money to invest.
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota’s mid-engined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
Other sporty models over the years have included the Celica, which was discontinued in 2006, and the Supra, on the roads for nearly a quarter of a century from 1978 to 2002.
Watanabe said the success of the joint manufacturing at Fuji Heavy Industries' Lafayette, Indiana, plant pushed him to go ahead with the sports car. That plant now makes Camrys for Toyota.
"We thought what might be the next step," he said. "Fuji Heavy is a very reliable partner. I hope to identify new areas for collaboration as we continue with the relationship."
#57
Guys if you read the fine print... somthing very interesting appears...
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota’s mid-engined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
This directly HINTS at a NEW MID ENGINE PLATFORM! MR2 REPLACEMENT NOT AN 86 REPLACEMENT! Woohoo!
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota’s mid-engined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
This directly HINTS at a NEW MID ENGINE PLATFORM! MR2 REPLACEMENT NOT AN 86 REPLACEMENT! Woohoo!
#58
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 16,638
From: Parsippany, NJ
^ It will start at $24,000 for the RWD and fully loaded AWD models will be around $33,000, hopefully. This will put it in a class that will destroy things like the SRT-4, SS, Si and compete with the MazdaSPEED3 and WRX. Then the AWD model could compete with the likes of STi and Evo. I know Subaru isn't going to cut their own throats and make a car better than the STi that is priced less than it.
#59
Originally Posted by Garage1217
Guys if you read the fine print... somthing very interesting appears...
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota’s mid-engined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
This directly HINTS at a NEW MID ENGINE PLATFORM! MR2 REPLACEMENT NOT AN 86 REPLACEMENT! Woohoo!
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota’s mid-engined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
This directly HINTS at a NEW MID ENGINE PLATFORM! MR2 REPLACEMENT NOT AN 86 REPLACEMENT! Woohoo!
#60
I agree, and the pics definitly do not lend a mind to an MR platform, however why say it bridges that gap? Why not say it bridges the gap between a celica gts? Why not the gap between an ae86. Just leaves the imagination wide open. If it is going to be affordable, 99% chance it will be a standard RWD front engine platform.