CONFIRMED: Toyota / Subaru RWD Coupe for 2011
#61
Let's read between the lines:
"The car will sit on a new Subaru platform and be designed by Toyota, the companies said."
Which means it'll be a next-generation Legacy with minor sheet metal tweaks, FWD removed, and a Toyota badge.
"Fuji Heavy Industries will build a plant next to its Gunma Oizumi ... factory .... It will start operation in late 2011."
This is 3-1/2 years in the future and nothing gets started on schedule. Any project more than a a year or two in the future is pure vaporware, created to assess the response of the money people to the proposed plan. Remember all the hype about the "VW New Microbus" that never materialized? The money people didn't go for it.
Remember Subaru's last attempt at a sports car?
Heavy, underpowered and not too reliable. Subaru learned their lesson and found their niche with the WRX.
"The car will sit on a new Subaru platform and be designed by Toyota, the companies said."
Which means it'll be a next-generation Legacy with minor sheet metal tweaks, FWD removed, and a Toyota badge.
"Fuji Heavy Industries will build a plant next to its Gunma Oizumi ... factory .... It will start operation in late 2011."
This is 3-1/2 years in the future and nothing gets started on schedule. Any project more than a a year or two in the future is pure vaporware, created to assess the response of the money people to the proposed plan. Remember all the hype about the "VW New Microbus" that never materialized? The money people didn't go for it.
Remember Subaru's last attempt at a sports car?
Heavy, underpowered and not too reliable. Subaru learned their lesson and found their niche with the WRX.
#62
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 16,638
From: Parsippany, NJ
Originally Posted by dieselstation
Originally Posted by Garage1217
Guys if you read the fine print... somthing very interesting appears...
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota’s mid-engined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
This directly HINTS at a NEW MID ENGINE PLATFORM! MR2 REPLACEMENT NOT AN 86 REPLACEMENT! Woohoo!
The new car fills a gap left by the retirement of the MRS two-seater. Toyota’s mid-engined MR2 dates back to 1984. It was rechristened the MRS in 1999 and retired last year.
This directly HINTS at a NEW MID ENGINE PLATFORM! MR2 REPLACEMENT NOT AN 86 REPLACEMENT! Woohoo!
#63
Originally Posted by George
Let's read between the lines:
"The car will sit on a new Subaru platform and be designed by Toyota, the companies said."
Which means it'll be a next-generation Legacy with minor sheet metal tweaks, FWD removed, and a Toyota badge.
"Fuji Heavy Industries will build a plant next to its Gunma Oizumi ... factory .... It will start operation in late 2011."
This is 3-1/2 years in the future and nothing gets started on schedule. Any project more than a a year or two in the future is pure vaporware, created to assess the response of the money people to the proposed plan. Remember all the hype about the "VW New Microbus" that never materialized?
The money people didn't go for it.
Remember Subaru's last attempt at a sports car?
Not all that good. Heavy, underpowered and not too reliable.
"The car will sit on a new Subaru platform and be designed by Toyota, the companies said."
Which means it'll be a next-generation Legacy with minor sheet metal tweaks, FWD removed, and a Toyota badge.
"Fuji Heavy Industries will build a plant next to its Gunma Oizumi ... factory .... It will start operation in late 2011."
This is 3-1/2 years in the future and nothing gets started on schedule. Any project more than a a year or two in the future is pure vaporware, created to assess the response of the money people to the proposed plan. Remember all the hype about the "VW New Microbus" that never materialized?
The money people didn't go for it.
Remember Subaru's last attempt at a sports car?
Not all that good. Heavy, underpowered and not too reliable.
If they use the current legacy wrx platform for the coupe and take out the "awd" then we will have a very similar setup suspension wise to a tC. Not a true sports car suspension by anymeans but is decent. And if they build it to be affordable, then it will be lightweight with minimalistic interior which is a bonus. Just god please do not give it stupid center mount gauge clusters.
#64
"THE CAR WILL SIT ON A NEW SUBARU PLATFORM"!
Sounds to me like Toyobaru is starting from scratch. I hope it's gonna be a mid-rear RWD engine w/ 10,000RPM redline
Note: if possible the best of both worlds in terms of AWD & RWD.. In other words not a full-time AWD but only when pinnacle and same for the RWD. Hence, straight aways would initially grip with all fours, than a split second later utilize the rear wheels to accelerate. In turns all fours kick into action..etc..
Also add the push button fun of being able to choose AWD or RWD for the rally and drift sessions!
Sounds to me like Toyobaru is starting from scratch. I hope it's gonna be a mid-rear RWD engine w/ 10,000RPM redline
Note: if possible the best of both worlds in terms of AWD & RWD.. In other words not a full-time AWD but only when pinnacle and same for the RWD. Hence, straight aways would initially grip with all fours, than a split second later utilize the rear wheels to accelerate. In turns all fours kick into action..etc..
Also add the push button fun of being able to choose AWD or RWD for the rally and drift sessions!
#71
Originally Posted by Garage1217
Originally Posted by R2D2
I like the idea of a flat-6 instead of 4 simply cause there's so much more potential there.
I say flat-6 instead of 4 is cause i'd prefer more straight motor power, so once it's coupled w/ F/I potential will be through the roof!!
Compared to a flat-4 equip w/ F/I that's pretty much tuned to it's max potential. For the flat-4 there wouldn't be as much room to expand upon.
I don't believe we're asking to the most maxed out car Toyobaru can provide, but a car that is VERY good stock and with limitless potential. In order that we owners won't need to bust motor-swaps n whatnot, and can work with the stock block OEM provided.
#76
I love the Subie boxer motor as well, just a bada$$ engine. I wonder if it's gonna be a real competitor to the Genesis coupe... I'm sure engineers in Japan are sweatin that bigtime right now.
#79
Originally Posted by R2D2
Originally Posted by Garage1217
Originally Posted by R2D2
I like the idea of a flat-6 instead of 4 simply cause there's so much more potential there.
I say flat-6 instead of 4 is cause i'd prefer more straight motor power, so once it's coupled w/ F/I potential will be through the roof!!
Compared to a flat-4 equip w/ F/I that's pretty much tuned to it's max potential. For the flat-4 there wouldn't be as much room to expand upon.
I don't believe we're asking to the most maxed out car Toyobaru can provide, but a car that is VERY good stock and with limitless potential. In order that we owners won't need to bust motor-swaps n whatnot, and can work with the stock block OEM provided.
#80
Originally Posted by R2D2
"THE CAR WILL SIT ON A NEW SUBARU PLATFORM"!
Sounds to me like Toyobaru is starting from scratch. I hope it's gonna be a mid-rear RWD engine w/ 10,000RPM redline
Sounds to me like Toyobaru is starting from scratch. I hope it's gonna be a mid-rear RWD engine w/ 10,000RPM redline