Hopefully it does better than the Saaburu.

 

doesn't really surprise me.
Toyota tends to build bland cars & SUV's as a whole.

 

i have the feeling that maybe they are not releasing it here as a toyota because it would compete with what scion is bringing out with its next tc

 

^ yeah, sounds like a possibility!

 

TRADING IN THE TC FOR THAT K THANKS BYE ILL MAKE IT TCPETE JDM.... GAME OVER LOL.

 

LOL, subaru is gonna have a lot of used TCs on their lots!!

 

explain? 2866 lbs is lighter than just about EVERY RWD 2+2 than I can think of except maybe the S13, which is only BARELY lighter than that, and thats because that car doesn't have to meet modern safety regs. 2866 lbs is REALLY light. Its about the same weight as the Type R that car is supposed to compete with, which is pretty spectacular considering this car will be RWD....

 

They never said the wont sell it as a scion, just not as a toyota LOL

ok one can dream, cant he?

 

^ Interesting..... Well ima be buying no matter what name its sold under. That thing is sexy. But ima wait til 2012 when i only ahve a year left to pay of the tC and there is more R&D on the platform for performance parts. It is sad that it wont be a toyota but if its a scion that would eb even better.

 

mazda miata, even the mr2 spyder was less, an s2k is slightly lighter. weight is where it can really count when making a performance car. there is some fat to be trimmed off on that car imo. it would make more sense to tack on the extra weight of the sti or even the wrx and rock a larger displacement enigne to make bigger power than what the 2.0 will do.

 

the miata mr2 and s2k are all tiny 2 seaters! this has room for 4 people! of course its heavier! its just a bit heavier than the tc and its going to have a sweet engine! bring on the turbo!!!

 

First off, i am a little disappointed that it will not be toyota...but i like subaru too so thats a minor complaint. My biggest complaints are the fact its so damn heavy, its only displacing 2 liters and its not turbo.

Why the hell are they benchmarking the integra type r? That car became obsolete in every department besides looks when the civic si came out...if they are gonna benchmark a weak ___ 2 liter it should be the civic instead.

What i also dont understand is how Subaru is going to have RWD in their lineup (all AWD) and if it is to be a subaru why the hell it wouldnt have the 2.5l in it to add to the possibility of turboing or a turbo model later...the 2.5 has more potential than the 2.0 but im sure everyone knows that.

There would be no question about buyin it in my mind if it was a subaru 2.5 turbo...hell if it came stock with the WRX or STI motor i would jump on that...the only thing that held me back from buying subaru was the lack of a coupe body.

Done ranting, thanks for listening...and thank you toyota for f***in up AGAIN!

 

LMAO ^^^^ oh lord.... intelligence illudes you my friend.

 

You guys actually beleive autoblog over toyotas own press release..? *LOL*

 

How so? Lets not turn this into a ____ing contest...Just stated my opinion on the whole subject assuming the autoblog report was correct. If it isnt, and Toyota is taking a different route (hopefully a better one), then I will retract my former statement.

I am a turbo guy...Granted Subaru's 2.0s are strong but how strong could this one be if its putting out so much power per liter N/A...To me I would assume its about as strong as a honda motor with regards to turbocharging.

Since Toyota has been lacking recently in the excitment department it wouldnt be a surprise if they executed this project badly.

And please dont question my intellegence based on a statement that was a response to a POSSIBLY faulty writeup... that would be much appreciated.

 

There are a lot of Subaru haters in here. Why put a Toyota badge on Subaru's version? That's stupid. Subaru makes great, durable cars equal to Toyota/Scion in quality and greater than Toyota/Scion in fun factor. I don't know why they are running a 2.0 liter engine instead of a 2.5. Maybe it's just to shave a few lbs? 220 hp is plenty for a car with that weight anyway. It's going to be a cheap, great car and yet, I hear complaining.

 

k...no ____ing contest here.. ill drop another point of view.

1. if they are basing on the ITR (dc2-4 integra 94-00) which is one of the most highly respected performing cars of all time interms of power/weight/ and handling... then no its not stupid at all.. the ITRs still handle much better then the new Si's infact the only civic in terms of handling it can compete with would be the RR or maybe even the mugen gp( but probably not) since we are talking full production vehicles and the GP is a joke of a civic at 30k... to compete and mimic the 94-00 ITRs would be an awesome start. and frankly the ITR is not obsolete because of the SI because quiet frankly... its been tough for honda or anyone to mimic its performance/weight/ and handling.. maybe a lotus elise at best but in overall aspects the ITR is a better car then the new SI...

as far as motor goes.. 2.0L is a great platform to start from NA.... look for instance the k20a/k20z3... both 2.0L producing almost 200 if not a tad more given the car aka RSX or SI... u cant tell me they are slow!!! why up the displacement and cost ??? sure they could pop a 2.5 but then the entire idea of affordable fun goes out the window.. not to mention adding the turbo... if you want all the crap your saying you might as well buy a wrx or sti... but this is more a matter of cost and power and fun to drive... its obvious they want to target younger generations (like what honda has done with the rsx, and si) to 1 compete with them and 2. to be able to have sales go through the roof... your telling me 220 hp NA at only 6500 rpms rwd is a failure??? by no means NO ... the only down side is weight but with a 6500 rpm redline i doubt the motor would be TQless... im guessing equal if not give a few +/- digits off of 220... not only have you faught the weight with TQ but your giving the car some breathing room having the weight addage.

you need to factor PRICE (which is huge) + handling and sales oppotunity with the younger market which im sorry is not made up of ballers... if something like this was to come out u know how huge of a seller it would be for young enthusiasts...

-you've great power at NA (not including power after bolt ons)
-RWD and handling of an ITR (which if you've never driven one you dont know how amazing it is just stock)
-PRICE
-option to turbo it yourself after the factory
-option to stay na and still be able to fight and have a good time

so what if its badged subaru... the selling +'s and the nubers and goals are just to good... the tc weighs about the same 2900 give or take.. your telling me if it came with 220 whp give or take with TQ to match it would be a stupid idea also?? lol

this is not a failure by far... but a great concept... now do i have faith it will happen.. ehh not really...

 

^^AMEN^^

 

Ok tCPete...u make excellent points...true that this model is targeting younger buyers but why not offer some higher end versions...not to say they wont but given toyotas recent history they refuse to build a high performance model and they havent had a factory turbo car in a little while.

Granted the price would go up for the larger displacement models especially the turboed ones if they made them, but im sure SOME people wouldnt have a problem payng the higher price for a 300hp coupe from toyota. plus, wouldnt it be a little more cost effective for subaru to use the engines they currently offer in some of their other cars like the Impreza series?

I also assumed they were talking about the most recent type-r integras i.e. the RSXs.

But one thing i gotta ask and it just hit me thinkin about it...how the hell is a 2.0 putting out 220hp at 6500 rpms N/A? the civic does 200 in upper 7000s range doesnt it? to me it sounds as if it would have to be turbo because isnt that what the JDM WRXs do?

 

the thing that i am most concerned about is if the car IS N/A that it may not have enough torque to accelerate the car being how heavy it is...i like torque which is why i opted not to get an SI when i was shopping for cars. and i like not having to shift gears CONSTANTLY to stay in the sweet spot...this opinion coming from someone who used to be a honda freak and still is somewhat