Chimmy3

as more hybrids hit the market, I'm hoping the prices will come down some. Either that or hopefully when the hyundai/kia economy hybrids hit the market, hopefully it'll start a price war.

djct_watt

geez. . . if Hyundai beats GM to the hybrid market, that'd just be hilarious.

appleguybruce

djct guess what ?Citroen had a Hybrid car b4 GM ever thought about 1,lol.

djct_watt

In production or as a prototype, because that changes the game quite a bit. In fact, GM had a working prototype all aluminum engine since the 70's. . . but it never made production.

I'm sure GM has a hybrid prototype, but it's probably not production ready.

As far as Citroen goes, they've made some decent cars for their local market.

appleguybruce

GM has some hybrids out if u call them that ?They have 2 truck hybrids out that get a whooping 19 MPG,lol.Citroen only sells its hybrids in europe.Mercedes has a car company called S.E.A.T.(dont ask me what that means ).It is a kinda like the Scions from Toyota .It is a non-hybrid that gets (((((80 MPG))))) but, thanx to our government in the U.S. we wont ever c 1 on the road .U mite b able to view 1 on ebay selling in canada???

Charade_Detomasso

^^^^ i'snt SEAT part of the volkswagen/audi group? Oris S.E.A.T something different?

djct_watt

Man, that was like reading a long text message. . .

But that's what I thought! I forgot about the truck hybrids. . .
. . . so Citroen had a hybrid out before the GM trucks?

appleguybruce

VW,Mercedes,Audi,it would b nice if I could go to a dealership and tell u ?Sorry for the long message just wanted to state its not the Japanese ,America should fear ,it's those big huge car companies from the French,lol, ouvre

djct_watt

I don't know if they should so much as fear them. . . even IF they do make good cars, their sales figures are SO low on the global market. If I'm not mistaken, Hyundai's sales are much higher.

Garage1217

iTrader: (5)

Word is, they used the tc as a test bed for this new update to the 2az. Basically they are giving the camry the tc version of the engine.

nodsetse

Just as people discovered the tC engine isn't the same as in the old Camry, I don't think the new Camry is exactly the same as the tC either. One clue is where they listed the new engine having 9.8:1 compression, where the tC has 9.6:1. Seems like the Camry should then make the same or better power than the tC, yet it's rated a few less...likely due to exhaust plumbing restrictions, as that's a typical cause. Regardless, we can hope that the more important parts, such as bearings, will now be the same between Camry and tC engines.

scionlife

Finally the Lexus ES and Camry have visibly contrasting rear-end treatments. Interesting.

djct_watt

Honestly, I feel that the third and fourth generation ES's had more differences form the Camry. . .

The 3ES had the full tail lights, vs the Camry's narrow horizontal slits. After the update, the Camry was given the big C class style tail lamps, and the 4ES had the semi-altezza tails with a completely different shape. Even the rear profile was different with the rounded rear window/C pillar.

But I like the 5ES the most, although it's a close call between this and the 3ES.