lol... Ill check it out..

"update"
oh man!! that viniata [VL-1040] spoiler is sick!!!
its like the combination of lip and pedestal spoiler!!!
Where do u think i can get them with great deal?

 

you can check the part number printed on them.. it's
PT47A-21050-SS

if you see anything else... say like 68960-0W251..
that's the stock struts.
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=159964

does what's his face wanna continue arguing?
don't think so.

 

Thanks for the info and link. Mine definitely have the 68960 part number, just as I suspected. Is this something I should take up with my dealer that installed it, or go straight to Scion Corp?

 

hahahahahahah "Whats his face"?

Settle down there soldier....im sorry i didnt get back to you asap on this thread....I, unlike others, have an actual life and dont have time to be on forums all day....but i dont think your one to grasp that concept.

Anywho...Scion DOES NOT OFFER UPGRADED STRUTS. Just cause they sell them doesnt mean theyre "Factory upgraded struts"...Just cause fools want to believe that theyre "Factory upgraded" doesnt mean that they really are "OEM Factory upgraded" or are needed. If you think thats the case....oh hey let me go back to the SCION parts room and buy the "Factory upgraded" airfreshener they offer...i need to "upgrade" from my factory new car smell....and the "Factory Upgraded" cup holder....cause 4 cupholders arent enough....or get the "upgraded" XXR's they sell on some models....cause my stock ones arent cool enough
Or better yet....let me go to KRAGEN SINCE THEY SEEM TO SELL "FACTORY UPGRADED" SHOCKS ALSO.....

Check the fvcking newton pressure on the damn shocks....there's nothing upgraded about them...im not really gonna argue with someone that wants to act 10 shades of gangsta behind a computer screen

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There is absolutely no reason they would have two sets of shocks for the same function. It's just not a good business move. You're going to spend extra money on the creation of an extra part that does the same thing. Did you, during your real life, (ooh, I can use italics too!) check the pressure of the shocks to verify that they are the same?

The only reason Toyota would have a secondary part is if it WAS needed for the extra weight on the hatch from the spoiler. With the number of threads I've read of the hatch garnish breaking off from opening the hatch, it's not something I want to take a chance on.

Also, your factory upgraded spiel doesn't really make any sense. Would you like to give an actual example of a "factory upgrade" offered by Toyota for the tC that's useless? Looking through the dealer add-on list, they all seem to be very functional, or at minimum, something designed to add style.

Oh, by the way, it would appear that you're not a sponsored vendor on this site, so I would kindly suggest you remove the spam from your signature.

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Umm, yes they do. Any of the people who've installed the heavy-duty hatch struts can tell you this. When I installed my Viniati CF, the stock struts would no longer hold the hatch open. The HDs do the job perfectly, because they were, uh... made to.

 

So let's get this straight.

Step one. Bought a stock tC
Step two. Bought a Viniati CF spoiler
Step three. Hatch wouldn't open properly because of additional weight
Step four. Bought "Upgraded shocks"
Step five. Hatch opens properly, even with additional weight


Sounds to me like the upgraded shocks have more lifting power than the stock ones.

 

If you took the time to look bud and read...you wouldve seen that i actually did look. Or i wouldnt of told SquallLheart to check the Newton Pressure on the cylinder. As i stated in my post before last...when I was selling MY pedistal spoiler on here, there were a few ppl that asked me about this so called "upgraded kit". I didnt know one existed at the time so i looked into it. So i know this from first hand experience :D

Now you say my lil spiel doesnt make sense...
so im going back to what SquallLheart said earlier...

"very likely the dealership screwed you over. many of them are too lazy to install the spoiler properly and neglect to install the new struts

(probably also the case for the guy who's trying to argue with me)
"
if this is the case with me.....and the dealership neglected to install these upgraded struts....that just goes to show that these "upgraded" struts arent necessary cause ive had my car since 06 and i barely just removed my spoiler to sell it......oh and ive never broken my hatch garnish

One other thing.....can you please show me where on Scion's website(through the add on list) it shows these Factory Uprgraded Struts?.........





dont worry ill wait....lol

 

Or here is another option for you...
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...209900#4209900
don't see to many of these.

 

Of course Scion's website won't list the struts individually, they're only for use with the pedestal spoiler. Read the damn installation manual put out by Toyota to see that they exist:

http://www.trdsparks.com/install/PT47A-2105Pinst.pdf

 

^^ thank you guys.. sorry i couldn't reply earlier..
i too also have a life.


and yes, of course they don't usually sell them separately, it's just how you can't find the new bushings they include with the TRD rear sway bar sold separately (normally)..

though TRDSparks does a fairly good job at customer service to allow you to purchase some individual parts on their own:
http://www.trdsparks.com/part_detail...PT47A-21050-SS

the whole statement of "factory upgrade" is completely convoluted in your head.. you're confusing an actual option from Toyota/Scion itself as a factory, to some crap some dealership is selling.. those i so promptly would call "dealership extras or add-ons"

yea.. there's no such thing as a factory upgraded air freshener, you only dug yourself a deeper hole by even making that analogy.

yes, dealerships are stupid, some parts/service people are stupid (and i wouldn't be surprised if your parts guys didn't know jack about the struts the spoiler CAME with when you asked them)

well, neglect for certain perhaps on due part as far as why the new struts weren't installed, but at this point there's no arguing about necessity, the whole argument was about whether or not they are indeed different and the new ones being stronger.

and so it seems like you know you've lost the argument and are now trying to change the subject by talking about necessity.

you really check the numbers on both struts? seriously talking about Newton pressure man? there's no numbers needed when you got everyone else here saying that they are indeed stronger and will administer more pressure (ohh your Newtons..) on the hatch during opening.

here..
amount of N for PT47A-21050-SS > amount of N for 68960-0W251
there's one thing about arguing about opinions, but arguing with facts?
that's just futile.

as for rcf22, take it up first with the service/parts manager about you getting screwed over. if they can't rectify the issue, take it up to corporate.

you paid for a proper install, and seeing as the instructions were linked, you could see that would include installing all the parts included (yes, that means the new struts)

 

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that was fun bud! hopefully we can do this again sometime


you sl kids are funny

 

I guess that's an admission of defeat? Not sure what "blblbl..." is supposed to mean, but since you can't refute anything, I'll assume that is a concession to our correctness.

 

hahaha... keep it coming guys.. Im learning a lot here...
CarbonXe.. Is it a fact that if you put a viniati cf in the non-spoiler strut, it would not open properly? even though cf is known as light weight?

 

I didn't put the Viniati on my car, Doc Iso did. I have the Kaminari adjustable race wing on my car, and the stock struts are definitely not strong enough for it.

 

but you can live with it right

 

Yeah, def. It sucks ___ in the winter though, because if it's cold enough, it won't stay up at all.

 

That was the case with mine as well. Once the hatch got below about a 30º angle, it would come down like a guillotine. The high-strength struts will hold the hatch open at even 4" up.

 

honesly it also happen to me.. even though w/out spoiler... it wont come up need to push it all the way up.. but it doesnt fall.. back...

 

Just installed the heavy duty shocks on my car, and they made a HUGE difference. I have to manually open my hatch about 1/3 of the way, and from there the upgraded shocks do the rest. With the stock shocks, I had to manually open the hatch all the way. For closing it, I have to actually pull it closed now, as opposed to just giving it a little push and watching it plummet down.

Newton what?