Uhmmm, motozsen.... TYC didn't start this thread or the poll, detroitscion did. They are the #1 scion dealership here in Michigan and because they are #1 they get the pre-prodution samples of these products before anybody else.

I believe the thread you are referring to is here=> https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51205

And if you re-read it they didn't say they didn't care what anybodies opinion was, they said, In other words, you can't please everybody. Those that like 'em will buy them and those that don't... won't.

Keep in mind, these are a pre-production sample... a lot can change before final production.

~chris

 

Reason the light is the way it is:

1. Why the signal is amber not red - Southern states (like TX) states it must be amber and can't be red after 2002 for toyota. (i might be wrong for the year I'll have to check the office). So to be able to sell to all of north america this was the choice by Toyota (not TYC).

2. Why it isn't all clear - It's illegal to have clear tails. Must have reflector, hence the red reflector. Clear, or white reflectors are 100% illegal, no if ands or buts. Yellow/amber reflectors are only allowed for front lamps, or front side markers.

3. why the led's aren't red - they are red when you step on the brakes, or turn on the parking lights. They just don't look red when you look at them. They use little chrome reflectors to direct the light. The whole lens is clear so hence the chrome look, and not red.

now if you have any questions of don't believe me...i don't care. If you ask how i know, it's cause I work for TYC, and helped (in the early stages) in the design of this lamp.

 

Like it or not, that's the TL for your TC. Maybe you don't like it now, but maybe you'll like them when they are on your car. It's a nice lamp, and nicely made (compared to previous lamps we made). Reason is that Toyota is very particular on the designs, and Toyota big wigs chooses the designs. The design ques came from the prius.

 

your right my bad.


ummmm when you put the word 'I think' in any sentence whether you like it or not means single mindedness.

 

Our stock turntails are red. What are you talking about?

Most aftermarket things ARE illegal.Doesn't stop people. The Lexus RX400 have clear tails... I see Acura MDXs with clear tails that are aftermarket all the time around here.... Along with hondas, ford and chevy trucks with euros, etc.

Point proven on my other threads about these TYC tailights. You should care. If you are one of the designers, design something else and make some money.

 

So you're telling me Toyota sells the Sienna, Rav4 and tC with different tail lights in different states? They all come from the factory with red turn signals. What about all the other tail lights TYC makes that have red signals (like the ones for the xB)?

 

for all aftermarket lights they require amber signals. I'd provide you with the contract...but that's confidential.

GST (Gulf State Toyota), and SET (South East Toyota) wouldn't buy the TYC lights without amber signals. Can't help you there.

Lexus rx300/330 has a reflector on it's bumper, hence it can be clear.

as for the other clear lights...sorry we not other light companies. TYC has more to lose if we sell illegal lights, since it's $600 for each illegal lamp you have in your warehouse. So technically if you hate any particular lamp company you can shut them down by calling DOT/NHTSA on them.

As for the design...Like I said...Toyota wanted it, so blame them

 

Then put a 'stick on clear amber tape' on the parts that are clear and we can take it off when we get them and use chrome/amber bulbs... hehe

TYC and other manufactures should take forums like this in serious consideration on what or what not to do...

This poll screams change. I hope your team is on rethinking design... If you do, count me in as being one of your loyal customers!

 

So you're telling me you can't buy an xB with the TYC lights in Texas?

FYI: There is no such thing as an RX300 with clear tail lights.

As far as shutting down a company that sells illegal lights, I believe that is why they put the "for off-road use only" disclaimer on parts they know do not meet DOT specs.

 

can't help you there unless Toyota desides to have another design.

 

BTW NHTSA already shot that disclaimer down. APC used that excuse for the longest time, and got fined like half million...no biggy to them...it's just a tax write off to them.

 

The RX400. close enough of being clear. I've seen plenty of aftermarked tails for the RX300 and other brands that are pretty clear without the amber....

 

i'm not going to argue this question...cause it's pointless...but look at the bumper...the reflector is there.

As for the amber issue...please refer to this :

 

Correct and in this instance of "single mindedness" you have a fellow scion lover giving thier opinion on the tails just as you and the other 221 scion lovers so far have "single mindedly" done. Why is it not OK for detroitscion to post what they think but it's OK for you and everybody else?

~chris

 

No such thing as a RX400 it is RX330.

 

Thanks bBlover. The RX400h is a hybrid, not available yet.

JDM Junkyard: No one said it didn't have reflectors. You said RX300 , its a 330. The 300 had tail lights with red in the actual housing.

You still didn't explain the point about certain Toyota regional offices not selling other TYC lights with red signals. Can you or can you not buy an xB or xA with TYC tail lights somewhere like Texas?

 

thanks for the correction...yes the RX330 to be technical..

..... ...tails are done, and ready for your consumption in a few month. We can't redesign, no matter how long this thread is sorry to say. (just telling you the truth)

 

wooooooah easy lion. I said nothing on freedom of speech. Whenever venders come into forums it is a 'the customer is always right' etiquette of practice. He can say whatever he wants. So can paying potential customers. Which one is more important? Customers can be singleminded. Vendors can't afford to be.

I have serveral successful businesses and let me assure you, if I gave my .02 on the times I had to bite my tongue I would not be making any money.

You have to listen to the crowd your selling too and less time preaching if you want to become successful. You can have 50000 venders that will carry your junk, but that doesn't mean you are going to sell anything or that you won't have 50000 venders ____ed at you because they have unmovable crap. You have 144 people here that are waiting on a different design.... I bet atleast half will buy something other then these lights shown.

If you post a concept up, be prepared for both sides of the coin and thank God that it is still a concept that can be worked with....



IMHO

 

nice motozen. amen to that!

 

i don't know why you guys are acting like this is going to be the "only" aftermarket lights for the tc. other aftermarket manufacturers will come in the near future to give you more of a choice of which rice tails you want to slap on your ride. look at all the selection honda has for their cars.