SCIONshane

How do the GSR motors, both the B17 and the B18c1, stack up against our motor? And not really specwise, I've found that stuff, but on the track. Preferably, how it would work out installed in an older CRX, put up against a tC.

SePaTc

google 'Power:Weight Ratio'

Mightygnu

b18 in a hatch will destroy a tC.

SePaTc

funny, i raced a b18 powered hatch with my tc (at the time- drop in filter, DC header, and DC exhaust...about a year+ ago.

we raced from a 15-25mph roll (advantage honda) up a hill (advantage tc). We were dead even through 2nd, i shifted to 3rd and started to nose ahead. by the top of the hill i was a good length or two ahead.

we went again on flat ground and it was closer but I still won.

weeks after he claimed that either his vtec wasn't working or he had a bad cylinder or some excuse or another....i forget. The car pulled pretty smoothly and hard, so i'm not sure about that. i think he was just jealous.

either way, i beat a b18 hatch.

2_much_tc

^ i don't know about that... B18's in a hatch are quick as hell....

jasonrs2

stupid thread.

Mightygnu

When I was stock, a b18c5 pulled up to me, I knew it was a lost cause, but that hatch was definitely quick.

heyitznosaj

It may have been a b18 from the integra LS which only puts out 140bhp and has no vtec. But even a ls powered hatch should have the edge on the tC never mind a b18c.

SePaTc

no, it was a gsr motor. i used to be friends with the kid. I saw the stamp on the block.

there are a few possible explanations as i see it:
1) the motor actually did have a problem w/ vtec or a cylinder
2) the motor was old and probably needed a good tune up
3) while the gsr has more hp than the 2az, tq is about the same, given the fact that we were going up hill (which requires more tq) the longer stroke/torquier motor would have the advantage of being able to pull up the hill stronger.
4) the hatch driver is a fat kid (est. 250lbs) and he also had his brother in the passenger seat.
5) a 2az w/ i/h/e is probably making around the same power as a 10 year old 1.8 liter B18.

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TCpete

x3.. stupid thread... you cant compare these motors.. to many scenarios to choose from that are deciding factors...

SePaTc

i agree with u to a certain extent, but on the same token, why then compare any 2 different cars to each other?? Why compare a car with a 3.0L to a car with a 5.0L??

if anything, i'd say to NA 4 cyl engines with less than 2.5L is a pretty fair comparo. albeit all theoretical.

TCpete

no because u cant compare a 1.5 sohc non vtec to ours.. nor u cant compare an h22 vtec with ours.. both 4 cyclinder, both 2 pretty different motors..

SePaTc

okay fine. then you can't compare ANY cars. And drag racing is no officially cancelled. Because whats the point of racing two different cars w/ 2 different motors??? :D [/facetiousness]

yes, you can compare a 1.5 sohc non vtec motor to our 2.4 dohc vvti motor....... ours is bigger, better, more powerful and faster.

SCIONshane

409TC

a gsr in a crx, eg, del sol, or any other Honda would more than likely beat our TC's.
even an LS motor in an eg/rex would still beat out TCs. yeah our motors are makin more power and torque but like they said already, it a power to weight ratio, our cars are heavy, weighin almost 3k. a motor like a gsr, h22, k20/k24 or any other Honda motor in a lightweight car like an eg has the advantage over us. throw a b,h, or k series motor into a Honda and a few bolt ons like i/h/e and they'd smoke us all day.my friend owns a h22 eg with a 75 shot and he's running 13's all day and another on of my friends owns an eg with an ls motor with i/h/e and hes running low 14's.

some of you guys may feel differently but thats just my .2 cents I've been around Honda's and am friends with mainly Honda guys and see how fast a stock gsr and k series in their car is.

Cracker_tC

it's different.

i have both a tc and a crx with a swapped b18c type r.

the crx kills the tc but not because of mods, or engine, the 2azfe has way more torque than most honda engines, even some of the newest k-series, however it beats it because of the power:weight ration between the 2 cars which is way waaaaaaay different and you cannot compare the 2 cars.

on the tc i have intake, headers, custom midpipe, exhaust, engine mounts, vvt-i controller and the crx with the "stock" type r engine still kills it...

my tc is 2600lbs (weight reduction) and the crx is 1700lbs...


2 totally different scenarios.......

750HPTC

if a b18c1 or b18c5 (which is the type r one) if they fully built with a turbo it will be quick as ____

heyitznosaj

^^true but completely irrelevant haha.

B18c5 = USDM spec type R motor 195bhp
B18c1 = UDSM spec GSR motor 170bhp

Anyways, a fully functioning B-series motor in a featherweight honda driven by anyone under half a ton will take a mildly modded tC. Case closed

TCpete

c5 and c1 are not only usdm bro lol... they do have c1's and c5s in japan also lol