SquallLHeart

hahaha.. you think being in the Navy for that long is gonna impress anyone here? well sure doesn't for me.

yellowxhoodie

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i just read every post in this thread and i only have to say one thing.

draxcaliber FTW! lmao

rangerryda

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I can only say LOCK THIS THREAD.

davedavetC

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not in anyones defense but yes water is a product of burning hydro-carbons, correct?

taken from "how stuff works"

"Catalytic converters are designed to reduce all three:

Carbon monoxide (CO) is a poisonous gas that is colorless and odorless.
Hydrocarbons or volatile organic compounds (VOCs) are a major component of smog produced mostly from evaporated, unburned .fuel.
Nitrogen oxides (NO and NO2, together called NOx) are a contributor to smog and acid rain, which also causes irritation to human mucus membranes."

considering the fact that the only way a cat could do this is by heating them up tot he point when they burn.

there for the catalytic converter burns hydrocarbons which in theory would create water? correct?

i like how you tried to prove him wrong by proving him right.

now im not jumping on anyones side but i just think for someone to say something like you did should really know what they are talking about.

the catalytic converter does create water. and actually in a perfect world a car would only give off O2 and H2O (oxygen and water) but unfortunately its not a perfect world and there are other things that a car creates due to combustion (CO2, CO, NOx etc)

thats why when you start your car (sometimes) after its been sitting for a while you'll see a little bit of water shoot out when you go to move (or rev the engine) because water has been collected in your exhaust system due to the Cat doing its job.

while this does sound like a stupid thing to do to your exhaust i can see where hes coming from on doing it.

would i? no because from there you have a point where rust can form due to BARE metal being exposed to the elements.

the reason why the stock muffler and stainless steel exhaust systems are made to not rust are because of A. a coating on it to protect the bare metal under it and B. the qualities of the metal.

while in some cases the elements will "eat away" at the exhaust causing it to rust over a long period of time, the fastest way to induce rust is to expose the metal (ie. drilling a hole in the muffler)

so while as much as you guys would like to flame him for doing this, its not really necessary to attack him. and im surprised that some of the people that posted in this thread did in such a way.

he was trying to protect his exhaust system in a reasonable way.

the water that was in his muffler could have quite possibly sped up the process of rust formation in the muffler (who knows if its coated inside and thats a very common reason why mufflers rust from the INSIDE out).

if you dont believe that, go work at a shop that does a lot of exhaust work.

oh and learn a thing or 2 about chemstry and how car parts work. they are made to do certain tasks for a reason (ie cats burning hydro carbons to form water because water is better for nature then hydro carbon).

just wanted to throw my insite here because everyone else feels it necessary to do so also. prove me wrong nobodys perfect and i've been wrong before.

CSUnited14

man everything turns into a argument in this forum good lord...

davedavetC

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im not arguing

rangerryda

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Contradictory statements ftw! lol I love this place hehe.

Steventc07

I yield and apologize. I like learning new things and definitely have here and thank you for that. Drilling a hole in the muffler....still seems like a bad idea to me, whatever. A shop doing an inspection upon seeing this, should fail you. Do I care whether or not they do? Heck no.

But your parts, your car. Do what you want.

2C8H18 + 25 O2 ---> 18 H2O + 16 CO2
(gasoline combustion)

we were both right lol sort of

draxcaliber

yeah, while i admit i was wrong, your exhaust only needs 1 hole in it, and that is the tail pipe.

rangerryda

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Just throw a few packets of silica gel in the tail pipe and call it a day before we get too scientific over this lol

youngflyer

lol a bi-product of the combustion process is H20 believe it or not and yes it can collect in your exhaust system. When i had a angled muffle on my tc, it used to shoot water out on start-up daily! this is neither a bad idea or a great idea but it couldnt hurt, it might prolong the life of the muffler (not the cat) if your living in CT

ack154

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I think we're done here.