Forced Induction Racing Scion TC turbocharger development..
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Forced Induction Racing Scion TC turbocharger development..
Hello all..
My name is Travis.. I own a small performance shop in Southern Louisiana (www.fi-r.com). We have over 10 years of combined experience on import and domestic experience in Turbocharging, Supercharging, and Nitrous Injection. Growing up, I did a lot of small block Chevy work.. and have built a few nice domestic cars. The last 4 years or so.. we have catered to the Nissan community. A few accomplishments over the last few years..
Highest (stateside) HP production from a SR20DET (661whp/583ft lbs)
First production bolt-on turbo kit for the SE-R Spec V (275whp/250ft lbs on stock engine)
First fully built Spec V (401whp/350ft lbs on pump gas)
First DET swapped B15 Sentra (00+ model)
First to build a destroked QR25DE motor
Ever since the Scion TC was unveiled, I've taken a back-seat.. and have watched the sales numbers/interest in the car. I think there's enough market now to warrant some R&D in a bolt-on, low-cost turbo kit.. as well as engine internal R&D. I'm not one to step on anyone's toes.. and I respect the work that the companys here are doing.. However, I want to get into the Scion market, and offer a reliable, affordable, bolt-on turbo kit for the TC guys. Rough estimates give me a MSRP of around 2500-3700.00.. providing 3 levels of entry. The first bieng a kit that provides the main parts needed.. minus the fuel system and misc. parts. The second level would be a low-boost entry kit priced between the low and high MSRP. The third would be a kit tuned for the max amount of power that can safely be made on a stock block. Fuel system AND timing will be addressed.
One thing I like about the Scion.. is that it presents a lot of the same challenges that we were faced with when we did the Spec V turbo kit R&D. I'll be gathering some info over the next month or so... and I'll be looking for someone in the south.. who would be willing to work with me on development. I will make it worth that person's time... please PM me for details.
Here's some pictures of some of the work that we do.. including our Spec V bolt-on kit.
bolt-on turbo kit
Turbo components before ceramic coating
S14 with SR swap..
400whp Spec V
Prototype 4-2-1 stainless manifold
Dyno chart
Here's a video of one of our Spec V's
http://www.fi-r.com/images/Dion330whp.wmv Spec V, open DP, 330whp
If anyone in the south is interested in working with me on this... I'd be willing to make arrangements to sit down and talk face to face.. and show you first-hand some of our accomplishments. Again, please PM me for more details. Thanks..
Travis Burelle
www.fi-r.com
My name is Travis.. I own a small performance shop in Southern Louisiana (www.fi-r.com). We have over 10 years of combined experience on import and domestic experience in Turbocharging, Supercharging, and Nitrous Injection. Growing up, I did a lot of small block Chevy work.. and have built a few nice domestic cars. The last 4 years or so.. we have catered to the Nissan community. A few accomplishments over the last few years..
Highest (stateside) HP production from a SR20DET (661whp/583ft lbs)
First production bolt-on turbo kit for the SE-R Spec V (275whp/250ft lbs on stock engine)
First fully built Spec V (401whp/350ft lbs on pump gas)
First DET swapped B15 Sentra (00+ model)
First to build a destroked QR25DE motor
Ever since the Scion TC was unveiled, I've taken a back-seat.. and have watched the sales numbers/interest in the car. I think there's enough market now to warrant some R&D in a bolt-on, low-cost turbo kit.. as well as engine internal R&D. I'm not one to step on anyone's toes.. and I respect the work that the companys here are doing.. However, I want to get into the Scion market, and offer a reliable, affordable, bolt-on turbo kit for the TC guys. Rough estimates give me a MSRP of around 2500-3700.00.. providing 3 levels of entry. The first bieng a kit that provides the main parts needed.. minus the fuel system and misc. parts. The second level would be a low-boost entry kit priced between the low and high MSRP. The third would be a kit tuned for the max amount of power that can safely be made on a stock block. Fuel system AND timing will be addressed.
One thing I like about the Scion.. is that it presents a lot of the same challenges that we were faced with when we did the Spec V turbo kit R&D. I'll be gathering some info over the next month or so... and I'll be looking for someone in the south.. who would be willing to work with me on development. I will make it worth that person's time... please PM me for details.
Here's some pictures of some of the work that we do.. including our Spec V bolt-on kit.
bolt-on turbo kit
Turbo components before ceramic coating
S14 with SR swap..
400whp Spec V
Prototype 4-2-1 stainless manifold
Dyno chart
Here's a video of one of our Spec V's
http://www.fi-r.com/images/Dion330whp.wmv Spec V, open DP, 330whp
If anyone in the south is interested in working with me on this... I'd be willing to make arrangements to sit down and talk face to face.. and show you first-hand some of our accomplishments. Again, please PM me for more details. Thanks..
Travis Burelle
www.fi-r.com
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Also, as of now.. I'm am doing the base-package for sponsorship/advertising on here.. If things go well, I will put a lot more money into the site as sales are generated.
Travis
Travis
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I think a number of people would be interested. Right now, there are a few companies working on turbos, and the TRD supercharger is coming too, so whoever has a good kit and makes it available first will have an advantage. It looks like you know what you're doing as far as turbo development. I'd love to see what you put together and how much power you get from a reliable bolt-on kit.
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With the relatively large stoke.. and large displacement... it should make some good low-end/midrange.. and decent top end. The Spec V has a ludicrous rod/stroke ratio.. 1.43:1 It doesn't rev.. but it makes a ton of TQ down low.. and a big, broad curve. This motor isn't as bad.. it's kinda in the middle of where you want to be for a good, streetable, turbo motor. The Spec V's motor is also open deck.. however, the sleeve design is pretty durable. I think somewhere in the realm of 250-260whp on 93 octane is totaly feasible.. as long as it's tuned correctly. We make 280whp or so on the Spec V and it's been fine for over a year and 1/2.
Travis
Travis
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I wouldn't mind working with those two platforms... but I'd like to knock the TC stuff out first. I will address the other two afterwards.
Travis
Travis
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I suggest a quick-spooling turbo. Bring whp to about 230 (+100 from stock) and you'll have a nice kit. I should spool around 3K, though.... my humble opinion...
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Sounds about right... although I think we could probably get a little more power out of it. The Spec V is a 2.5 liter.. it puts down 150whp stock. With our turbo kit.. it usually puts down 275whp.. or 125whp gain. So, I was thinking somewhere along those lines.. Around 250whp or so for the Scion. Granted, that all depends on how the engine responds to tuning. We'll see...
Travis
Travis
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hey if u need a donor car buzz me in man willing to take my car there for that kit see how far that can go maybe who knows it might beat the other stuff in the market currently.
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250whp would be great, especially if matching torque is provided, and turbo(s) spool by 3K rpm. But, as we all know, power is not everything, so here are a few 'flaws' that could be 'corrected' on a tC as well, and added to the package as optionals (or, at least, recommended):
* faster throttle response -- to compare, test drive a stock 350Z. You can rev-match, double-clutch, heel-toe much better when you know that throttle is right there when you need it. Current slow response from throttle input could be from slow mapping (is this car drive-by-wire?), throttle body, or even heavy flywheel... I don't know...
* better grip -- at least 245s on the front, preferably 265s...
* short-throw stick -- current one's angle can be reduced, as well as length
* suspension improvements -- car has torque-steer even with 140wtq, let alone at about 250+...also, would eliminate possibility of 'airplane launches' ...
* (optional) increasing rev-limit by 500rpm, or 1000rpm
That's my 4.5c.
* faster throttle response -- to compare, test drive a stock 350Z. You can rev-match, double-clutch, heel-toe much better when you know that throttle is right there when you need it. Current slow response from throttle input could be from slow mapping (is this car drive-by-wire?), throttle body, or even heavy flywheel... I don't know...
* better grip -- at least 245s on the front, preferably 265s...
* short-throw stick -- current one's angle can be reduced, as well as length
* suspension improvements -- car has torque-steer even with 140wtq, let alone at about 250+...also, would eliminate possibility of 'airplane launches' ...
* (optional) increasing rev-limit by 500rpm, or 1000rpm
That's my 4.5c.
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It's nice to see someone in south louisiana putting some work into our cars I'm very interested in an XA kit whenever you're ready to start working on one.
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Originally Posted by bascelik
250whp would be great, especially if matching torque is provided, and turbo(s) spool by 3K rpm. But, as we all know, power is not everything, so here are a few 'flaws' that could be 'corrected' on a tC as well, and added to the package as optionals (or, at least, recommended):
* faster throttle response -- to compare, test drive a stock 350Z. You can rev-match, double-clutch, heel-toe much better when you know that throttle is right there when you need it. Current slow response from throttle input could be from slow mapping (is this car drive-by-wire?), throttle body, or even heavy flywheel... I don't know...
* better grip -- at least 245s on the front, preferably 265s...
* short-throw stick -- current one's angle can be reduced, as well as length
* suspension improvements -- car has torque-steer even with 140wtq, let alone at about 250+...also, would eliminate possibility of 'airplane launches' ...
* (optional) increasing rev-limit by 500rpm, or 1000rpm
That's my 4.5c.
* faster throttle response -- to compare, test drive a stock 350Z. You can rev-match, double-clutch, heel-toe much better when you know that throttle is right there when you need it. Current slow response from throttle input could be from slow mapping (is this car drive-by-wire?), throttle body, or even heavy flywheel... I don't know...
* better grip -- at least 245s on the front, preferably 265s...
* short-throw stick -- current one's angle can be reduced, as well as length
* suspension improvements -- car has torque-steer even with 140wtq, let alone at about 250+...also, would eliminate possibility of 'airplane launches' ...
* (optional) increasing rev-limit by 500rpm, or 1000rpm
That's my 4.5c.
Bigger tires shouldn't be a problem.. you'll need them with the additional power.. One thing about big stroke motors... is TQ hits like a bastard.. making for all sorts of wheelspin at low RPM.
Short throw shifter.. I'll see if I can work with a few companies on getting one made.
TQ steer is inevitable with these big, torquey motors.. Wait till you slap a turbo on.. it's even worse.
Rev limiter.. again, we'll need to be able to get into the factory ECU to do that. I'll have to do some research to see how possible it is to do that.
Travis
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Originally Posted by Malaclypse
It's nice to see someone in south louisiana putting some work into our cars I'm very interested in an XA kit whenever you're ready to start working on one.
Travis
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I have 2 people interested in bringing cars down here... so, in a few months, I should have some good news for you guys. I'll post pics/info as they become available..
Travis
Travis
#16
Hey are you looking into buying a car to do up? It would run you a low 20 grand to get it but it would be MUCH worth it. PM me if interested or if you got AIM hit me up or email me at Skionic@yahoo.com whatever is easiest.....sorry not thread jacking
#17
Don't forget to talk to some of the people @ DeepsouthScions.com right in your local area and very freindly ;)
#18
hey travis its cool that your showing interest in the scions, i used to have a spec-v and i would read your threads on thevboard.com and b15sentra.net. good luck on your tC project! if you put half the effort you have into turbochargin the spec-V than this should be a badass kit man. ill be looking out for the xA kit if and when you give it a go
to all that are interested in this kit A LOT of great things have been said about FIracing and Travis as well as their turbo kits.
to all that are interested in this kit A LOT of great things have been said about FIracing and Travis as well as their turbo kits.
#19
I also used to have a Specv, i was a member atb15 boards, and travis is a great stand up guy, thanks for taking interest travis, and keep up the good work
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I used to drive a Spec V. Travis definately knows what he is doing, however, from what I have read on the Sentra Forums, the customer service could be a little better. From what I have read in the past, it takes a good bit of time for FI-R to get a kit out to you. Like I said, Travis is very intelligent when it comes to making a car much faster, but the service could be a little better. Once again, I am taking this from other forums, not from personal experience...just a little heads up for my fellow scion owners.
Ryan
Ryan