airswipes

is there any way to install this without tapping into the wires. i know for example, unichip is plug and play. the stock harness plugs into the unichip and the unichip plugs into the ecu. is there an adapter/wire harness that would allow this? if not, i think someone should do this. heh. i know with my old car, my accord, people installed apex vafc with a frog harness which turned it into plug n play.

lastlookcustoms

If anyone wants a camcon, I sell them for 375. Pm me if interested....

matty-tC

5HP increase? what did you tune it to?

isis

Kept it to run on lean mix as i have yet to upgrade my exhaust system. also told the tuner not to over tune now as i still have other plans for my car.

increased only 5HP, from 82.88 to 88.76... 0 to 100 used to be 11++ seconds , now it's 10.46 seconds

US is sellin camcon rather expensive, i must say. i did mine for RM1550 (413.72USD), including installation and dyno run.

got it cheap as i was the guinea pig i guess

Chaos_Being

This sounds very interesting, I could have sworn the last thread I read about the camcon resulted in almost no gains at all. If you can get up to 10hp from using this and tuning your engine- well, that's appealing to me.

My only question is, are there any long-term effects on the engine? Can using this cause premature wear or damage? Thanks, and sorry if this is a stupid question

edit: oh, and after tuning for increased HP, how was the MPG affected?

Thrawn

Don’t forget this is a universal unit. The thread which stated no gains was referring to the 1NZ in the xA/xB. The person above who gained 5hp, has a Toyota Vios. Scottsdalestc obliviously has a tC, lol. So, its best to note which vehicle someone is talking about when they state their gains.

Effects on the engine will depend on how its tuned. Someone could severely damage their engine if they don't tune it properly. MPG will also depend on how its tuned and of course driving habits. If its tuned for more power by leaning it out, then less fuel is being used but more aggressive driving habits could counter act that.

engifineer

Careful you arent running it too lean... that can be a bad thing.

matty-tC

you want to shoot for 14.7 AFR with a naturally aspirated engine.

does the camcon monitor knock?

Thrawn

No, it doesn't monitor knock, or even tap into the knock sensor signal wire. And for the most (safe) power many say you should aim for an a/f around 13.5 for a N/A engine. But, that's also going to very from car to car. 14.1 - 15.1 might net better gains on the tC though. I would like to data from someone experimenting w/ the A/F on the 2AZ.

rhythmnsmoke

Unless I just overlooked the link, I'm having a hard time finding a website that sells the Camcon. Can someone post the link please?

Simplyscion

Send a PM to Lastlookcustoms...hes got them for cheap.

rhythmnsmoke

I want to read info. on the product too...

isis

dont mind me asking, wat would happened if i ran too lean? there would be too much air only,right? wat damages would there be?

Thrawn,
you're right! A friend of mine installed this unit into his Toyota Altis and he only gained 2HP... Btw, have you ever seen or heard of Vios before? just curios as Vios is only sold in South East Asia.

isis

More info, please refer the link http://www.monkeywrenchracing.com/po...se_camcon.html

engifineer

Running too lean makes your engine run hot. Too lean will reduce engine life and can burn up your engine.

Thrawn

To my understanding, by running too lean, you risk excessive heat build up which can cause detonation and/or pre-ignition. Which is almost as bad as pre-mature eja... ah never mind, this is a family site, lol. Anyway, having a some what rich mixture, lets say 13.1-1 to 13.5-1 for an N/A engine ypically allows for safer motor operation by providing cooler engine and exhaust gas temperatures and decreasing the risk of the a/f mixture exploding before the spark (pre-ignition), or excess un-burnt a/f mixture exploding after the spark (detonation/pinging). It also makes sure there is plenty of fuel available for the combustion process to burn up all of the oxygen. There is no universal "best" A/F ratio though (in terms of the best for power). It will depend on the motor (and by that, I mean the best A/F for a 1ZZ-FE will be probably be different than the best for a 2JZ-GE).

I have heard of the Vios before, but it's not sold here in America as the Vios, if I'm not mistaken, it's the Corolla,or something very close to it.

EDIT

Correction, I was mistaken. The Vios doesn't appear to be the same as the Corolla. It seems to share a platform with the Echo,Yaris, and Vitz.

engifineer

^^ True.

But you want to make sure you arent too rich at the same time. An excessively rich mixture creates more carbon monoxide, and to an extreme can also cause more fuel blowby and poor lubrication of the cylinder walls. This is on the extreme side though.

For an NA engine I would keep it between 14.1 and 14.7 to achieve the closest to the stoichiometric ratio.

Thrawn

Too much of anything can be bad. ^_^ Those are good points regarding have too rich of a mixture. 13-13.5 should be safe for N/A. 12-12.5 is generally considered safe for F/I. That is just based on general research that I've done. I don't know exactly what's safe with the 2AZ.

Bah! Stoich is for eco conscience losers who want their cat operating at maximum efficiency! lol, I'm j/k Seriously though, stoich is the best ratio for emissions. But deviating from it can net you more power, and do so reliably if care is taken during tuning.

airswipes

someone wanna answer my question?

Thrawn

Correction, according to ZPI the A/F actually runs rich with the head, as the ECU overcompensates w/ fuel for the added air. My apologies for the confusion.

As for installing it w/ a plug-n-play adapter, I don't know of any. The directions call for tapping 3 wires and splitting 2.