Intercooler with your Supercharger?!?!?
12-13-2004, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ScummyMcOwnage
the supercharger is supposed to come out in feb/march, and the intercooler is rumored to possibly come out. I'm hoping they offer it.
12-13-2004, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by English
intercoolers on superchargers are alot different from the ones on turbos....at least to my understanding not as many superchargers have intercoolers on them.
12-13-2004, 01:55 PM
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Cars with superchargers installed in them offer less plumbing than turbocharged cars, so... A front-mount intercooler is not the best best. I would install an in-line intercooler in the engine bay and look for a hood with a hood scoop that delivers cold air to it. Or... You could do an in-line air-to-water heat exchanger and have a pump in-line with a front mount water-to-air heat exchager. That would be a nice setup.
12-13-2004, 07:34 PM
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I've never seen a supercharged car with an intercooler on it. There's really no point. A supercharger doesn't sit inline with the exhaust track right AT the exhaust ports on the head like a turbo does, so it doesn't get cherry red hot like a turbo does.
Typically with a supercharger you just run an intake tube with a cone filter on it wherever you want to pull air from. Intercooling a supercharger setup would mean more pipe, and and expensive intercooler that really wouldn't benefit you at all. Slapping the equivalent of a cold air intake on the supercharger, so it pulled cool air from inside a fender well or behind an opening in the front bumper would be more benefit than forcing the blower to pull air through a longer intake track.
With a non-centrifugal supercharger (the TRD one is centrifugal), the supercharger bolts right to the head, so intercooling it would be impossible. Personally if I saw someone with a sueprcharger on their car, centrifugal or not, and they had an intercooler in there complicating things, I'd assume they were a dumbass.
Typically with a supercharger you just run an intake tube with a cone filter on it wherever you want to pull air from. Intercooling a supercharger setup would mean more pipe, and and expensive intercooler that really wouldn't benefit you at all. Slapping the equivalent of a cold air intake on the supercharger, so it pulled cool air from inside a fender well or behind an opening in the front bumper would be more benefit than forcing the blower to pull air through a longer intake track.
With a non-centrifugal supercharger (the TRD one is centrifugal), the supercharger bolts right to the head, so intercooling it would be impossible. Personally if I saw someone with a sueprcharger on their car, centrifugal or not, and they had an intercooler in there complicating things, I'd assume they were a dumbass.
12-13-2004, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by i64X
I've never seen a supercharged car with an intercooler on it. There's really no point. A supercharger doesn't sit inline with the exhaust track right AT the exhaust ports on the head like a turbo does, so it doesn't get cherry red hot like a turbo does.
Typically with a supercharger you just run an intake tube with a cone filter on it wherever you want to pull air from. Intercooling a supercharger setup would mean more pipe, and and expensive intercooler that really wouldn't benefit you at all. Slapping the equivalent of a cold air intake on the supercharger, so it pulled cool air from inside a fender well or behind an opening in the front bumper would be more benefit than forcing the blower to pull air through a longer intake track.
With a non-centrifugal supercharger (the TRD one is centrifugal), the supercharger bolts right to the head, so intercooling it would be impossible. Personally if I saw someone with a sueprcharger on their car, centrifugal or not, and they had an intercooler in there complicating things, I'd assume they were a dumbass.
Typically with a supercharger you just run an intake tube with a cone filter on it wherever you want to pull air from. Intercooling a supercharger setup would mean more pipe, and and expensive intercooler that really wouldn't benefit you at all. Slapping the equivalent of a cold air intake on the supercharger, so it pulled cool air from inside a fender well or behind an opening in the front bumper would be more benefit than forcing the blower to pull air through a longer intake track.
With a non-centrifugal supercharger (the TRD one is centrifugal), the supercharger bolts right to the head, so intercooling it would be impossible. Personally if I saw someone with a sueprcharger on their car, centrifugal or not, and they had an intercooler in there complicating things, I'd assume they were a dumbass.
an intercooler goes between the boost device and the intake maifold... not before the boost device
what you described was a before cooler, if it is even real...
and you can put an intercooler on any non-manifold (or positive displaacement) type of boosting....
12-13-2004, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by i64X
With a non-centrifugal supercharger (the TRD one is centrifugal), the supercharger bolts right to the head, so intercooling it would be impossible. Personally if I saw someone with a sueprcharger on their car, centrifugal or not, and they had an intercooler in there complicating things, I'd assume they were a dumbass.
12-13-2004, 08:21 PM
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A big V8 will produce a little bit more heat than a 4 cyl. I doubt even making 240hp that the tC's 2.4L engine will produce enough heat to warrant anything more than a CAI.
It's totally apples to oranges. We're not dealing with pro-street cars or muscle cars here. The tC is a compact car.
It's totally apples to oranges. We're not dealing with pro-street cars or muscle cars here. The tC is a compact car.
12-13-2004, 08:38 PM
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no intercooler on a S.C
88-89 AW11 MR2s came with the 4A-GZE that had Supercharger with an aftercooler/intercooler on it. ps... so did the Toyota Previa with the S/C drive train.. they had an aftercooler/intercooler on it too.
12-13-2004, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by i64X
A big V8 will produce a little bit more heat than a 4 cyl. I doubt even making 240hp that the tC's 2.4L engine will produce enough heat to warrant anything more than a CAI.
It's totally apples to oranges. We're not dealing with pro-street cars or muscle cars here. The tC is a compact car.
It's totally apples to oranges. We're not dealing with pro-street cars or muscle cars here. The tC is a compact car.
12-13-2004, 08:58 PM
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i am running 12 psi of boost...
if the air temp coming in the filter is 100 degrees..
after compression it will be about 205 degrees...
if i use an intercooler with 75% cooling efficiency (a little better then avg %) the air temp will be reduced to 125 degrees...
also as a by product of the cooler air is a .5-.7 drop in psi...the loss in boost is made up in the cooler air charge...
if the air temp coming in the filter is 100 degrees..
after compression it will be about 205 degrees...
if i use an intercooler with 75% cooling efficiency (a little better then avg %) the air temp will be reduced to 125 degrees...
also as a by product of the cooler air is a .5-.7 drop in psi...the loss in boost is made up in the cooler air charge...
12-13-2004, 10:27 PM
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lol anyone using an intercooler on a sc setup is a dumbass!! Funny this one!!
It is well know that the toyota MR2 SC, if you increased boost it will heatsoak cause the intercooler in not sufficient.
yea lot of setup of sc are low boost so not a lot of heat produce but that doesnt mean having intercooler for sc is dumbass! You have a really funny way of thinking!!
The type of sc is also very important in the amount of heat produce, centrifugal, vortex, root, whipple, so before saying any sc intercooled is stupid, why dont you inquiry what kind of setup it is and find out if it need or not an intercooler.
wow some people dont know what they are speaking of!!
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It is well know that the toyota MR2 SC, if you increased boost it will heatsoak cause the intercooler in not sufficient.
yea lot of setup of sc are low boost so not a lot of heat produce but that doesnt mean having intercooler for sc is dumbass! You have a really funny way of thinking!!
The type of sc is also very important in the amount of heat produce, centrifugal, vortex, root, whipple, so before saying any sc intercooled is stupid, why dont you inquiry what kind of setup it is and find out if it need or not an intercooler.
wow some people dont know what they are speaking of!!
Later all
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12-13-2004, 10:38 PM
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lol anyone using an intercooler on a sc setup is a dumbass!! Funny this one!!
It is well know that the toyota MR2 SC, if you increased boost it will heatsoak cause the intercooler in not sufficient.
yea lot of setup of sc are low boost so not a lot of heat produce but that doesnt mean having intercooler for sc is dumbass! You have a really funny way of thinking!!
The type of sc is also very important in the amount of heat produce, centrifugal, vortex, root, whipple, so before saying any sc intercooled is stupid, why dont you inquiry what kind of setup it is and find out if it need or not an intercooler.
wow some people dont know what they are speaking of!!
It is well know that the toyota MR2 SC, if you increased boost it will heatsoak cause the intercooler in not sufficient.
yea lot of setup of sc are low boost so not a lot of heat produce but that doesnt mean having intercooler for sc is dumbass! You have a really funny way of thinking!!
The type of sc is also very important in the amount of heat produce, centrifugal, vortex, root, whipple, so before saying any sc intercooled is stupid, why dont you inquiry what kind of setup it is and find out if it need or not an intercooler.
wow some people dont know what they are speaking of!!
12-13-2004, 11:45 PM
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Intercoolers are seen more often on turbochargers because of their nature - they make power from exhaust gas which is inherently scalding hot.
Yes, air is compressed and thereby heated by superchargers, but the effect is much less than that of a glowing turbine wheel two inches from where your intake charge is coming from. Intercooling a supercharger is a waste of money if:
-Your boost goals aren't high
-You have a cooling system that doesn't suck.
Yes, air is compressed and thereby heated by superchargers, but the effect is much less than that of a glowing turbine wheel two inches from where your intake charge is coming from. Intercooling a supercharger is a waste of money if:
-Your boost goals aren't high
-You have a cooling system that doesn't suck.
