DeiselFuel2o2

So for all those you doubt the TC can be an NA beast...who has run ITB's?

ITB's with a good set of cams, an excellent tune ( E85 would be nice ;) ), headers, high flow cats, cat back exhaust (no larger than 2.5 inches) would most likely produce 200 hp with TONS of torque without any lag. Talk about autocross champ!

just a though...

and 200 is being pessimistic, you could with E85 run around 220 hp. 1 it would sound amazing (lol), 2 MUCH more reliable than a turbo/SC, and finally 3: instant power.


Regis

DJ08tC

I am pretty positive nobody had run ITBs, not many people want to spend that amount of money to get 200hp, when they can get 300hp for a lot less.

I would be cool to see a setup like that but never seen it on a tC

CarbonXe

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lol.

huslindan

what is IBT's

DJ08tC

It is ITB, individual throttle bodies

BlackKnight

You do realize when you run individual throttle bodies you lose torque right? You do gain a lot of horse.

huslindan

not gunna do this but how would this work we would have 4 throttle bodies then ? kinda stuppp if you ask me how would all that fit behind i can barely fit my cold air intake lol

DJ08tC

you run 4 small throttle bodies for the intake manifold, like this



Seen it on a lot of hondas and motorcycles

ack154

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How will that work with drive-by-wire though?

huslindan

ok so no intakes or anything it just sucks in dirty air and how would all that fit on our engine i dont think it would

DJ08tC

^^good point

BlackKnight

Convert to cable or do special modifications to the linkage to make it work.

DJ08tC

Some run small filters

CarbonXe

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It wouldn't rofl. Which means even more money for a new throttle system.

I don't know why everyone is so fascinated with going N/A. It's takes more work to BARELY make 200WHP, costs more money to make 200WHP, sounds like complete garbage...all for what? Better throttle response? LOL.

And if you were really that worried about throttle response and instant power, you sure as hell would NOT be driving an I-4.

TCpete

wow...change the world man!!!


FYI.. i came up with an ITB set up for the tc back in 2006. i couldnt get passed the DBW wiring servo... try searching next time...

elcapetan

you put a box around it. It's kinda like a cover my friend has ITB's on his s2000.

TCpete

195 whp FTW YO!...

DeiselFuel2o2

you guys are nuts. Has anyone ever driven a car with ITB's?

I would rather spend 10k for a great NA setup than 8k for a great S/C setup.

Turbo's are just a pain in the a$$

I did search the forum btw, its problably way down there lol.

Its not always about power.

It about a well tuned engine, power at every level with the gas pedal, great Throttle response.

Some of you seem extremely biased, and sound like you should own a corvette and hit a tree or two.

For those people in Cali ITB's are most likely CARB legal if you get an air box or just put indivual filters on.

I get why some of you wouldn't bother with this setup. Cheaper power, with few headaches sounds better than expensive no headache power if a kit is made.

They had two civics on a track going head to head for the 1/4 mile and the N/A 260hp k20a eg hatch was 1 second faster than the 300hp k20a eg hatch.

Then they ran them on a road track and the NA itb's vic was 1.8 seconds faster around the track. To bad for the more POWER more HEADACHES "cooler" (LOL) turbo'd civic.

So while 200hp dosnt sound like much, compared to a 250hp turbo setup, I'm sorry but the lag from a turbo will fail on any kind of autocross/road track.

in good reagards,

Regis

gingles

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regis.....1 second can be drivers error....now if the same driver drove both cars and had the same results....then id listen to you

TCpete

if your spending 8 to 10k on an NA set up for a meir 200 whp then chances are you dont know what your doing sorry...

you also cant compare a K series to a 2azfe... 2 motors built 2 different ways and make power in 2 different ways...

just FYI .. there are a few of us NA tc's out there.. yes its cute to kill a few s'c tcs and even a few turbo tc's but get a decent turbo tc next to you and past the 1/8th mile from a dig your dead... and on a roll for get out about it.. after the lag dies your toast...

you sound like the kinda guy who races for 2 seconds and say hey im in front i win... racing and being a faster car is not all about instant gratification via an ITB or NA set up nor driving a v6 or v8 as ive seen plenty v6's and v8s murdered by v4's... if you have such a boner for ITBs then maybe you should got a more old shool toyota and dropped a 4a in it... but on current set ups moving + 2900 lb cars.. sometimes going NA is not best... i should know.. im probably one of the few who have gone that route.... succeeded and now moving onto boost...its not as complicated as you might think.