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Old 03-05-2009 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyjun
hey guys and girls, yesterday i finally went to the dyno to tune my car that was completely build by me. i accomplished 181whp and 167wtq with just a piggyback apex safc2.

my mods:
injen intake (customized by me to my specs)
dme header
invidia spipe
custom 2 1/4 midpipe with stock resonator
custom axleback with magnaflow street series muffler (item#14814)
unorthodox cranck pulley(stock diameter)
act clutch kit w 4puck disk
f1 racing lightweight flywheel (12.5)
balance shafts removed
11@1 je pistons
pnp head & resurfaced
pnp stock throtel
engine fully balanced
doc I's cable bushings
engine mounts in polyurethane
mobil 1 10w-30 motor oi
mobil 1 75w-90 gear oil
15 inc rims with toyo ra-1 tires
and finally all the tuning was done with a apex SAFC2, i imagined i could have hit 190ish if i had a hydra or aem standalone, where i could have tuned the ign. timing + vvti. and 200whp if i had camshfts and standalone

i hope this helps you guys for future mods.....

Keep up the good work. It sucks every time someone decides to go the N/A route they just get bashed by others. I thought this was a board that helped educate others based on personnel r&d.

-Jeremy
Old 03-05-2009 | 03:20 AM
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^Exactlyyyyyy. I give you a LOT of props for staying N/A and going so hard. I know you put a lot of sweat and hard work, in order to get it that high.
Old 03-05-2009 | 03:23 AM
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I dont care if he is faster than me. We drive SCION TCs. ECONOMY CARS. Even with boost we are SLOW. My dumb commnets? Hah ok, this is a forum, I can express my thoughts as I please.
Old 03-05-2009 | 03:28 AM
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Yeah you can. I just think that he deserves some respect since he achieved something many of us have not even tried to touch before.
Old 03-05-2009 | 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 10PieceNuggets
I dont care if he is faster than me. We drive SCION TCs. ECONOMY CARS. Even with boost we are SLOW. My dumb commnets? Hah ok, this is a forum, I can express my thoughts as I please.
lol so i guess every car i beat you can say there slow right? i'm boosted and my car is not slow.. maybe your bone stock TC is slow. your right this is a forum not to express your stupid immature comments. its to help others and give knowledge to those that dont know much about scion's! your just being ignorant. do yourself a favor sell your scion get a hatchback civic and go to the honda forums.
Old 03-05-2009 | 05:03 AM
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You have a turbo tc. Good for you, if you are having fun with it then by all means, the tC has no potential. Its a FWD econo car that you can add a little pep to with a small turbo. Thats it. I am being ignorant? Whos the guy telling me to go get a hatchback civic. I probably will end up at the Honda forums, I rather pick up a 4 door Si, but honestly im just waiting on the Genesis coupe, or might just settle for an Evo X in the near future. A car with real potential, not our econo car. Dont get me wrong I love my tc, but I find it pointless to try to make fast.

326 HP on your FWD hopper is great, not knocking on you for that, you can be a little more mature, I dont care how many cars you have beat, you and me still drive a tC. Go figure.
Old 03-05-2009 | 05:21 AM
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well thanks for all the comments. i did go with a full exhasut 2.5 and the car actually lost 10whp dyno proven, so i think 2.25 its good for the tc n/a. i really think tha im right on the whp for the mods i have, i think tcpete had kind of the same whp without a standalone. remember all i have to tune its afr with the apex safc2, no timing or vvti to tune, also i hace stock cams, i really think that if i put some camshafts and a ecu like aem or hydra i could hit 200whp.

im really happy with the numbers because i have almost the same whp as a stock supercharged tc and i spent alot less because i did all the work myself except the head the was done by a friend of mine.

i will post pictures later with my engine bay, my exhaust and a few others. thanks for everything........
Old 03-05-2009 | 05:26 AM
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lets stay on topic please.......
Old 03-05-2009 | 05:34 AM
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get emanage ultimate, upgrade cams and valvetrain, and raise that redline!

not to shabby! lol
Old 03-05-2009 | 12:52 PM
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Nice number but Im a "wat kind of dyno" person so the fact that its on a dynojet kinda lowers how impressed I am... if it was on a dyno dynamics than that would be awesome..... Good luck with the car though :D
Old 03-05-2009 | 07:26 PM
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im still happy with the numbers, before that i had 162whp and 162wtq, just adding pistons, pnp head and lightweight flywheel gained me 19whp. and 5wtq. thanks for everything guys and for all the comments..........
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Damn that's a great job to the O.P congrats
Old 03-06-2009 | 12:21 PM
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you should get a intake manifold next, im sure that would raid the numbers up quite a bit. especially the torque figures
Old 03-06-2009 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 10PieceNuggets
You have a turbo tc. Good for you, if you are having fun with it then by all means, the tC has no potential. Its a FWD econo car that you can add a little pep to with a small turbo. Thats it. I am being ignorant? Whos the guy telling me to go get a hatchback civic. I probably will end up at the Honda forums, I rather pick up a 4 door Si, but honestly im just waiting on the Genesis coupe, or might just settle for an Evo X in the near future. A car with real potential, not our econo car. Dont get me wrong I love my tc, but I find it pointless to try to make fast.

326 HP on your FWD hopper is great, not knocking on you for that, you can be a little more mature, I dont care how many cars you have beat, you and me still drive a tC. Go figure.
Wow.

Seriously. Do you just go around bashing people's accomplishments??

Regardless if its FWD, AWD, RWD. It took time, money, a lot of personal labor in some cases to get a car modded. Especially N/A. Yea he could have gone boosted, but nowadays who isn't. Its not big feat to be boosted. This coming from someone who is boosted.

You are right this is an econobox, but you know what. Its what most of could afford or wanted to spend at the time.

You spent your money buying a TC and your unhappy. Thats just plain idiotic. Why would you buy something you dislike so much, or maybe you just neglected to do the research. Either way your a fool.

Whereas most of the other people in this forum, bought a TC and we're happy with our purchase.

On a side note. Modding my TC was definitely a lot cheaper than modding my 350z.

I would definitely want an evo x in the future. But i'm sure as hell not letting go of my TC.

Any car you decide to get. I'm sure there will be someone else who calls you slow.

Anyways to OP good job bro. Break the 200whp mark N/A. Definitely talk to TcPete. His car is quick ^^ I drove it the other day, lol.

Get cams, Valve train, hydra =D
Old 03-06-2009 | 05:24 PM
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you done yet? First of all im not unhappy, I like my car but it would be nice to upgrade, so -1 for your post there. -1 for calling me a fool when I never disrespect someone like that.

Old 03-06-2009 | 06:35 PM
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i want to see some reviews first on the intake manifold to see if i like what i see, but nonethe less i know i can achieve 200whp i just have to have the extra money to buy cams $700, valve train upgrade $400, hydra $1,900 wich i dont have right now. but ill get there, im trying to proof wrong to those that said that a n/a tc would be a waste of time. right know im at the same league as a stock trd charged tc with much more money less spent....

thanks again for all the nice comments...... i hope i helped the comunity for those who are going this route....
Old 03-06-2009 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 10PieceNuggets
you done yet? First of all im not unhappy, I like my car but it would be nice to upgrade, so -1 for your post there. -1 for calling me a fool when I never disrespect someone like that.

wow. your funny man. your _____in over our economy cars performance saying ud rather get into a civic si four door ? sorry but when did the civic si become a sports car ? its just an economy car too with sporty features like the tc. nothing too dramatically different between the two except one has a smaller motor and 2 extra doors. you have most likely never been in a fast fwd, try telling world racing and chris rado that theyre economy cars are slow and they are dumb for throwing all that money into a scion. most likely your just ____ed cause mom and dad bought you a car you didnt like. or dont have money to mod it. either one be realistic. making power dependably aint easy, and there is a lot of people on this forum that are doing so. our motora are capable of producing over 700 wheel horsepower. and over 700 ft lbs to the wheels.stop being a fool. ..enough said.

what makes a turboed tc an economy car ? the fact that it was an economy car to begin with ? well in those terms.. chris rado is a bad a$$ for whoopin up on some with his economy car.

on other notes nice set up. think you can get more power out of different headers ? say weapon r or dc ? what bout that gune engine package ? cams and throttle body ? or world racing has bigger throttle bodys that can be converted to drive by wire im sure someting like that will net you more.
Old 03-06-2009 | 06:59 PM
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probably the weapon r header is much better, but not everybody has that kind of money, i had the dc header and the dme is far much better in performance. yeahhh i really need a bored throttle, intake manifol, and cams, and hygra.
Old 03-06-2009 | 07:08 PM
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Congrats on extracting good numbers for an N/A 4-banger. It's always good to see numbers pay off.

The best news is that there is much more power to be gained in his motor. The valvetrain is where it's "at" for N/A motors, which can be illustrated in how Honda gets so much power out of their small motors. Once he starts working on the valvetrain with a heavy cam, and tuning it right, he'll likely reach 200-220.

At that point, he's maxed out. But he's done something that many lesser-talented people just fantasize about.

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What most immature people don't realize is that ... with a tC... IT'S NOT ABOUT NUMBERS. The magic of a tC is that you can get hands-on experience learning about the workings of a car for cheap. It's relatively difficult to screw up beyond the point of repair. Parts are cheap and universal. It's extremely forgiving and versatile for most of your needs. Best of all, it puts up with people who are absolutely convinced that it's the best thing on 4 wheels, and consistently beat the **** out of it.

Some of us were not in the position to purchase a sports car, and the tC's a good consolation prize. I "like" my tC, but I look forward to the day I'm in something much more substantial.
Old 03-06-2009 | 07:43 PM
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well said......



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