K&N or TRD drop in filters
#3
I think they usually claim 5hp or so, but the real improvement is on the wallet. I have a k+n in my truck and it has paid for itself because it is reusable. Especially wise if you drive in dusty areas.
#4
Originally Posted by grnxb
I think they usually claim 5hp or so, but the real improvement is on the wallet. I have a k+n in my truck and it has paid for itself because it is reusable. Especially wise if you drive in dusty areas.
#5
K&N filters are a religious issue and the subject of endless debate.
I used them when I was racing motorcycles off-road and they were the best for that application. The reason is that they would never clog up and cause a DNF. The down side of this is that K&Ns would pass a lot of fine particulate, but since I rebuilt my engines frequently I didn't care. DNFs don't pay purses, so the emphasis was on finishing the race. The fact that K&N paid contengency money was also a factor.
For a street driven car I wouldn't run a gauze filter. You can buy a heck of a lot of stock paper filters for the cost of a rebuild. Paper filters provide a physical barrier to all particles above a certain size, which is what is needed for long engine life. They aren't "kewl", but they are the best for the job.
George
I used them when I was racing motorcycles off-road and they were the best for that application. The reason is that they would never clog up and cause a DNF. The down side of this is that K&Ns would pass a lot of fine particulate, but since I rebuilt my engines frequently I didn't care. DNFs don't pay purses, so the emphasis was on finishing the race. The fact that K&N paid contengency money was also a factor.
For a street driven car I wouldn't run a gauze filter. You can buy a heck of a lot of stock paper filters for the cost of a rebuild. Paper filters provide a physical barrier to all particles above a certain size, which is what is needed for long engine life. They aren't "kewl", but they are the best for the job.
George
#9
Originally Posted by George
K&N filters are a religious issue and the subject of endless debate.
I used them when I was racing motorcycles off-road and they were the best for that application. The reason is that they would never clog up and cause a DNF. The down side of this is that K&Ns would pass a lot of fine particulate, but since I rebuilt my engines frequently I didn't care. DNFs don't pay purses, so the emphasis was on finishing the race. The fact that K&N paid contengency money was also a factor.
For a street driven car I wouldn't run a gauze filter. You can buy a heck of a lot of stock paper filters for the cost of a rebuild. Paper filters provide a physical barrier to all particles above a certain size, which is what is needed for long engine life. They aren't "kewl", but they are the best for the job.
George
I used them when I was racing motorcycles off-road and they were the best for that application. The reason is that they would never clog up and cause a DNF. The down side of this is that K&Ns would pass a lot of fine particulate, but since I rebuilt my engines frequently I didn't care. DNFs don't pay purses, so the emphasis was on finishing the race. The fact that K&N paid contengency money was also a factor.
For a street driven car I wouldn't run a gauze filter. You can buy a heck of a lot of stock paper filters for the cost of a rebuild. Paper filters provide a physical barrier to all particles above a certain size, which is what is needed for long engine life. They aren't "kewl", but they are the best for the job.
George
#11
Originally Posted by nero tC
so basically the K&N and TRD air filters are pointless unless you want a little growl? i was about to get one. but its better to stick with the stock air filter?
#12
Originally Posted by George
Originally Posted by nero tC
so basically the K&N and TRD air filters are pointless unless you want a little growl? i was about to get one. but its better to stick with the stock air filter?
#13
I have used the K7N drop ins and the full kit (Sonoma 4.3L). The full kit with low drag toobs give you a good sound and I almost unnoticeable low torque increase. Yes the are reusable BUT they do not filter out the air pollutants nearly as well as a paper filter, this is why it has more air flow. To keep the motor from wearing as fast use the paper filters.
#14
K&N PART NUMBER
Anyboyd has the K&N drop-in filter part number?
Thanks
PS. I am a big fan of K&N filters. They are great. Not to the point that there is difference on a dyno but definetely you can FEEL the difference. At least this was the case in all the cars I've driven so far.
Thanks
PS. I am a big fan of K&N filters. They are great. Not to the point that there is difference on a dyno but definetely you can FEEL the difference. At least this was the case in all the cars I've driven so far.
#15
Re: K&N PART NUMBER
Originally Posted by Stefan TC
PS. I am a big fan of K&N filters. They are great. Not to the point that there is difference on a dyno but definetely you can FEEL the difference. At least this was the case in all the cars I've driven so far.
Thanks.
#16
Re: K&N PART NUMBER
Originally Posted by Buzzkill
Originally Posted by Stefan TC
PS. I am a big fan of K&N filters. They are great. Not to the point that there is difference on a dyno but definetely you can FEEL the difference. At least this was the case in all the cars I've driven so far.
Thanks.
"Feel" meaning responsivenes; you press the pedal to the metal and the torque appears that little split second sooner....
K&Ns hav as many followers as critics. Buy one, they are not that expensive and you will know right away. Just do not put the K+N sticker OUTSIDE the engine bay 'cause that's pure "rice" and you definetely want "race" not "rice"
#17
K&N AIR FILTER PART NUMBER: 33-2252
K&N part number is 33-2252
http://www.knfilterchargers.com/sear...x?Prod=33-2252
33-2252 Product Specifications
Product Style: Panel Air Filter
Height: 0.938 in (24 mm)
Outside Length: 11.375 in (289 mm)
Outside Width: 5.938 in (151 mm)
Filter Re-Oiling Amount: 0.83 oz (24 ml)
Weight: 0.8 lb (0.4 kg)
Product Box Length: 13.5 in (343 mm)
Product Box Width: 7.75 in (197 mm)
Product Box Height: 1.75 in (44 mm)
http://www.knfilterchargers.com/sear...x?Prod=33-2252
33-2252 Product Specifications
Product Style: Panel Air Filter
Height: 0.938 in (24 mm)
Outside Length: 11.375 in (289 mm)
Outside Width: 5.938 in (151 mm)
Filter Re-Oiling Amount: 0.83 oz (24 ml)
Weight: 0.8 lb (0.4 kg)
Product Box Length: 13.5 in (343 mm)
Product Box Width: 7.75 in (197 mm)
Product Box Height: 1.75 in (44 mm)
#18
Originally Posted by nero tC
Originally Posted by George
Originally Posted by nero tC
so basically the K&N and TRD air filters are pointless unless you want a little growl? i was about to get one. but its better to stick with the stock air filter?
OTOH, if the filter had a finer hole pattern, it would filter slightly better, but the particles filtered would be too small to make much difference.
Now, there are "racing" oil filters (Fram HP-1, for example) that are built to take more internal pressure than stock filters, but a stock Scion doesn't need this capability.
I'd say that if you change oil and filter at the recommended intervals, the standard filter is fine. I don't see any advantage that the TRD part could have over the stock part.
George
#19
OTOH, if the filter had a finer hole pattern, it would filter slightly better, but the particles filtered would be too small to make much difference.
Now, there are "racing" oil filters (Fram HP-1, for example) that are built to take more internal pressure than stock filters, but a stock Scion doesn't need this capability.
I'd say that if you change oil and filter at the recommended intervals, the standard filter is fine. I don't see any advantage that the TRD part could have over the stock part.
George
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