Monster Motorworks Race Header Dyno!
08-25-2005, 09:58 AM
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roger that.
its not fair u add a bunch of junk on the tC.
intake, header, exhaust and MORE will give u a lot of power.
if u just added the header to a stock tC and posted
your HP result gain, i bet it would be way different.
but its good to know that if u have all the other goodies,
and u get this header on top of it, u may get up to HP
listed at PEAK/MAX power.
its not fair u add a bunch of junk on the tC.
intake, header, exhaust and MORE will give u a lot of power.
if u just added the header to a stock tC and posted
your HP result gain, i bet it would be way different.
but its good to know that if u have all the other goodies,
and u get this header on top of it, u may get up to HP
listed at PEAK/MAX power.
08-25-2005, 03:16 PM
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nice looking numbers. I am curious how you are not getting the CEL light when the header looks alot like everyone else is getting the CEL. Very nice numbers though, Any discoloration yet on the header?
08-25-2005, 03:30 PM
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08-25-2005, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NCBIGGJ
nice looking numbers. I am curious how you are not getting the CEL light when the header looks alot like everyone else is getting the CEL. Very nice numbers though, Any discoloration yet on the header?
08-25-2005, 04:04 PM
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no other have that sort of claimed power gains nor do they replace the s-pipe...
my only complaint is that dyno'ing this head is misleading because it's comparative to a alphawerks + s-pipe (from anyone) not just another header.
keep in mine you're also seeing the gains from the less restrictive s-pipe.
my only complaint is that dyno'ing this head is misleading because it's comparative to a alphawerks + s-pipe (from anyone) not just another header.
keep in mine you're also seeing the gains from the less restrictive s-pipe.
08-25-2005, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by matty-tC
no other have that sort of claimed power gains nor do they replace the s-pipe...
my only complaint is that dyno'ing this head is misleading because it's comparative to a alphawerks + s-pipe (from anyone) not just another header.
keep in mine you're also seeing the gains from the less restrictive s-pipe.
my only complaint is that dyno'ing this head is misleading because it's comparative to a alphawerks + s-pipe (from anyone) not just another header.
keep in mine you're also seeing the gains from the less restrictive s-pipe.
with the stock airbox, i dont think the header would be as effective.
08-25-2005, 04:14 PM
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Why would anyone put a header on a stock car.
To get the full potential out of the car you need it to breathe right?
And i think what were discussing is the DIFFERENCE of Before and After the header install.
It would be worthless to install the header on a STOCK car.
Who would install a header on a car with stock exhaust?
Thats just Backwards.
Usually people upgrade in this manner.
1. Intake
2. Exhaust
3. Header.
you want to make it breathe better first then put on a header.
To get the full potential out of the car you need it to breathe right?
And i think what were discussing is the DIFFERENCE of Before and After the header install.
It would be worthless to install the header on a STOCK car.
Who would install a header on a car with stock exhaust?
Thats just Backwards.
Usually people upgrade in this manner.
1. Intake
2. Exhaust
3. Header.
you want to make it breathe better first then put on a header.
08-25-2005, 04:20 PM
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as well as an intake (to allow the air to be taken in faster)
with the stock airbox, i dont think the header would be as effective.
with the stock airbox, i dont think the header would be as effective.
Alphawerks got 24 hp and 19 torque from intake, header, exhaust, and throttle body. The Alphawerks header by itself doesn't net all that much, neither does just an intake or exhaust or even a throttle body. The key is that all the parts together net a yield that is greater than the sum of the parts (not saying that you can add up all the individual gains.)
An engine can only breathe as well as it's most restrictive part. The only way to truly demonstrate how effective a part is is to flow test it by itself (no engine - just a fluid.) Asking for a dyno with only the header is rediculous because that will show just a little bit more hp yield than the other headers which people would then think that as indicative of only being able to yield a little more than other headers and thus people won't buy this thinking it costs far too much for just a few more hp.
Edit: instaposted by MMW.
08-25-2005, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kungpaosamuraiii
as well as an intake (to allow the air to be taken in faster)
with the stock airbox, i dont think the header would be as effective.
with the stock airbox, i dont think the header would be as effective.
Alphawerks got 24 hp and 9 torque from intake, header, exhaust, and throttle body. The Alphawerks header by itself doesn't net all that much, neither does just an intake or exhaust or even a throttle body. The key is that all the parts together net a yield that is greater than the sum of the parts (not saying that you can add up all the individual gains.)
An engine can only breathe as well as it's most restrictive part. The only way to truly demonstrate how effective a part is is to flow test it by itself (no engine - just a fluid.) Asking for a dyno with only the header is rediculous because that will show just a little bit more hp yield than the other headers which people would then think that as indicative of only being able to yield a little more than other headers and thus people won't buy this thinking it costs far too much for just a few more hp.
Edit: instaposted by MMW.
thank you now ppl can stop doubting this
08-25-2005, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by monstermotorworks
Why would anyone put a header on a stock car.
To get the full potential out of the car you need it to breathe right?
And i think what were discussing is the DIFFERENCE of Before and After the header install.
It would be worthless to install the header on a STOCK car.
Who would install a header on a car with stock exhaust?
Thats just Backwards.
Usually people upgrade in this manner.
1. Intake
2. Exhaust
3. Header.
you want to make it breathe better first then put on a header.
To get the full potential out of the car you need it to breathe right?
And i think what were discussing is the DIFFERENCE of Before and After the header install.
It would be worthless to install the header on a STOCK car.
Who would install a header on a car with stock exhaust?
Thats just Backwards.
Usually people upgrade in this manner.
1. Intake
2. Exhaust
3. Header.
you want to make it breathe better first then put on a header.
Why?
Because it is the most bang for the buck.
Most people get intakes first not because they make the most power, but because they're cheaper and easier to install. I personally don't want an exhaust that much (even though I might get one) because of the added attention (looks and sound wise) all I want is for the stock exhaust not to be raspy.
Next step for me is intake, then maybe exaust.
08-25-2005, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by monstermotorworks
Why would anyone put a header on a stock car.
To get the full potential out of the car you need it to breathe right?
And i think what were discussing is the DIFFERENCE of Before and After the header install.
It would be worthless to install the header on a STOCK car.
Who would install a header on a car with stock exhaust?
Thats just Backwards.
Usually people upgrade in this manner.
1. Intake
2. Exhaust
3. Header.
you want to make it breathe better first then put on a header.
To get the full potential out of the car you need it to breathe right?
And i think what were discussing is the DIFFERENCE of Before and After the header install.
It would be worthless to install the header on a STOCK car.
Who would install a header on a car with stock exhaust?
Thats just Backwards.
Usually people upgrade in this manner.
1. Intake
2. Exhaust
3. Header.
you want to make it breathe better first then put on a header.
you're sandbagging your results. thats not right.
08-25-2005, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kungpaosamuraiii
as well as an intake (to allow the air to be taken in faster)
with the stock airbox, i dont think the header would be as effective.
with the stock airbox, i dont think the header would be as effective.
Alphawerks got 24 hp and 9 torque from intake, header, exhaust, and throttle body. The Alphawerks header by itself doesn't net all that much, neither does just an intake or exhaust or even a throttle body. The key is that all the parts together net a yield that is greater than the sum of the parts (not saying that you can add up all the individual gains.)
An engine can only breathe as well as it's most restrictive part. The only way to truly demonstrate how effective a part is is to flow test it by itself (no engine - just a fluid.) Asking for a dyno with only the header is rediculous because that will show just a little bit more hp yield than the other headers which people would then think that as indicative of only being able to yield a little more than other headers and thus people won't buy this thinking it costs far too much for just a few more hp.
Edit: instaposted by MMW.
Gain from the Alphawerk header,TB,E,I where 24hp 19tq not 9. Your statement regarding a header alone not netting much is inaccurate. Header alone on a TC yields 10hp 10tq, been proven on several dynos. 10hp is a nice addition to any 4banger in this weight engine and vehicle class, and by no means "not that much". Obviously a header complemented with I,E will yield much better numbers. But the point is a Header alone on the TC yields 10hp not with any other assisting mod! So MW it makes perfect sense for you to test header alone on a stock TC. A close coupled cat design is very restrictive, example Nissan Sentra SE-R spec v gains nearly 15hp 15tq from header alone, HP racing header and no other supporting mods. So just imagine an Alphawerk header with S pipe, I,E. Gains would perhaps surpass 24hp 19tq. Im quite aware that the MW design is superior. However it would have been very intersting to see if your MW design header matches or beats a "header alone" 10hp 10tq gain on a stock TC.
08-25-2005, 07:45 PM
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ahhh
does anyone else notice that he said
30+ft lb TQ!!!!!!!
wth is that. 30 tq but only 16hp? tats weird. and + this dyno doesnt prove anything but this combo of parts putting 16hp.
16hp with intake and header and ignition eq and exhaust?
doesnt sound to great to me. and as for TQ... call me a skeptic
does anyone else notice that he said
30+ft lb TQ!!!!!!!
wth is that. 30 tq but only 16hp? tats weird. and + this dyno doesnt prove anything but this combo of parts putting 16hp.
16hp with intake and header and ignition eq and exhaust?
doesnt sound to great to me. and as for TQ... call me a skeptic
08-25-2005, 09:13 PM
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I have yet to see the acclaimed AlphaWerks header dynoed by itself, on a stock vehicle. They dynoed their header with a myriad of other performance parts to produce their numbers. Now did I hear anyone go rampant about that? Well we'll be dynoing each mod piece by piece, so wait for those results...