alex8181

I think a lot of people on this forum misunderstand the difference from a mass produced header like DC Sports with hand made custom pieces. The massed produced headers are one size fits all, no matter what your power goals are. Custom race pieces are more expensive because they generally require fabrication that cannot be produced in mass quantities. This is the reason why they are more expensive but also why they make substantial amounts of more hp over mass produced headers.
These custom race headers have also been show to provide more power over the whole powerband as opposed to just top or bottom end.
These race headers were not made for the budget racer, these were made for those who want the most out of their engines.

Remy

Is this the same DC Sports header that's CERAMIC and gives almost no gains? Is there a different one? If it's the same one that Im thinking of, then I'd think it would hardly be a benchmark by any means. Alphawerks and Megan headers maybe, but certainly not the DC Sports. But hell, yea wut he said, boo~ sell cheaper!!

acasanova

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Weapon-R

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=72564

heres the topic

matty-tC

that's not expensive at all. there are some lamborghini exhausts that are about $10k for titanium. imagine explaining that to your accountant

Thrawn

First, thanks for sharing. I didn't expect anyone to make a titanium header for the tC, even a custom order, due to the high cost and probably low ROI (just a guess). That's a beautiful piece, IMO, and would be a shame to even think of wrapping it. And like someone already said, you don't buy a titanium piece like this for the looks, because the only people who would actually appreciate it wouldn't be interested in a shinny show room finish. I think that's pretty evident by the responses in this thread already. From the looks of it, like the SS version, it comes with an s-pipe. Did the customer order an exhaust too? Do you know if this header has helped keep engine bay temperatures down at all? I'd imagine due to the material that would be another benefit.

Getting slightly off topic I thought I would do some simple math for everyone regarding the MMW SS header.

MMW 2-piece Header Set: $850 MSRP

Alphawerks Header: $600 MSRP

ZPI S-pipe: $250 MSRP

CC's S-pipe: $175 (for SS) MSRP

Draxas S-pipe: $150 MSRP

Looking at MSRPs, not retail prices since we don't know the retail price for the MMW header, to get an Alphawerks’ header w/ a s-pipe would be $750 - $850. The MMW header is a 2 piece unit that already comes with an s-pipe. Their header and intake alone put out just 4hp less then the AW header, intake, bored TB, and s-pipe exhaust. I can pretty much guarantee you a (good) exhaust mated to a 4-2-1 header w/ s-pipe and intake will make more than 4whp. I would like to see a dyno of the Alphawerks header w/ an s-pipe compared to the MMW 2 piece unit and compare the power bands. I'm betting the results would be pretty similar in terms of gains but with a smoother and more level increase across the power band for the MMW and a bit more top end for the AW. My point is price and performance wise it's quite competitive. It also comes with a limited lifetime warranty like the AW header and the MMW's s-pipe is also covered by that same warranty. When this unit hits the shops and we know retail pricing we'll be better able to compare value. If you all recall, just as many people were complaining about the AW header and swearing no one would buy it when it was first announced with its $600 MSRP.

And did someone ask if that titanium header was the same as the DC Header?! I couldn’t' possibly have read that right...

Weapon-R

BUMP..

A 4-2-1 correctly made with long runners will make more power across the bowerband than any 4-1 header anyday.

As it shows with out titanium header, we are experienced in Making Power and Power across the powerband at that.

Were not intrested in the peak power, which most 4-1 headers will make most of its power.

Were more intrested in making products that make streetable power throughout the whole powerband.

Power that people who drive in the 3000-7500rpm range.
4-1's have been known to make power at 6-8000rpm and sacrifice at the bottom end.

Lets get a poll going.
1. Would you like a header ( 4-1 ) which makes most of it's power only at top end?
2. Would you like a header which makes power from 3-7500rpm.

I think that questions is easy to answer.
Your friend with a 4-1 header may make power at the top end, but while your pulling on him from the start, who do you think will be at the finish line first?

Motec exhaust with an NOS turbo.. ahahha

Marshall

wowowowowowowow... that many welds is a work of art. seriously, how long did that take you?

Weapon-R

That took us 1 week to build..
1 Crazy Guy 1 Week.

matty-tC

mucho respect on that header. absolutely beautiful.

BrEaK_AwaY

that is a damn fine header i must say MMW, very good job.

sensay

i bet a HUGE chunk of the price comes from the included s-pipe cuz look at how many welds it takes to make it (the whole thing almost it made outa welds). really the smartest thing to do wouldbe get the titanium header and get the CC aluminum s-pipe for 150 low weight and low cost

hilow

4-2-1 is much better for low end/ mid range which is alot better than top end IMO. If this header gives good gains i will buy it for sure.

Revilo

so, the header would be done by monster motor works or by Weapon R? I thought that it was going to be by Weapon R, and now MMW said that is going to be done by them... is any relation between MMW and Weapon R?

ZPIracing

That thing is badass and I am impressed. Titanium is also a lot harder to weld, that is the other part a lot of you are missing. When ever you get anything custom one off built you have to pay.

Build me a titanium turbo manifold and I will run it on our car!!!

kungpaosamuraiii

Weapon R thought that Scions are so cool that they made Monster Motor Works to work specifically on Scions.

How were those bent pieces on that header bent? I imagine it took far too much time and energy than would be worth it to bend the rest of the header..

matty-tC

they look like pre-bents they cut and welded

BrEaK_AwaY

i would agree with that, because they appear to be perfect 90º angles

Petem

i was beggining to worry until i got to the second page that no one had even mentioned the design of the header... everyone on the first page was all about price..... give me a 4-2-1 header or as i knew them in the old days as tri-Y ANYDAY over a 4-1...

MMW.. why do you not consider making a regular material header (stainless) in this design.. ? yes.. titanium is novel.. and having one, gives you bragging rights... but for the not so rich among us it would be nice to get a well design tri-Y header..!

WeaponR_Ray

The upper bends are molded that way, sort of like casting. We used those because the bends are simple, so we can save costs. The lower portions are a bit more involved, and also larger diameter, which also increases costs.

Petem - We do have this header coming in stainless. Expect to see it around October with a $850 MSRP.