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Old 08-16-2010 | 03:12 AM
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Default The newest built all motor Scion tC.

Well at least before the spray goes on :D.

Brian Crower 280/272 Stage 3 cams
Brian Crower Springs and Retainers
Manely SS valves
JE Forged Pistons 11:1
K1 Rods
Camry Crankshaft with Balance Shaft Drive Gear Removed
Balance Shafts Removed
Bored to 2.44L
ARP headstuds
RX-8 Throttle Body with Scion TC Circuit Board
2.5" intake with 3" Spectre MAF housing
Raceland header and S-pipe
No Name 2.5" catback
AEM F/IC but it was off and car was on the stock tune for start up. Idled pretty good though.

Skip to 2:06 to see the start up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtc5XnQK3SM
Old 08-16-2010 | 03:41 AM
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all parts and money into it and you run a raceland header? why?
Old 08-16-2010 | 03:57 AM
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Headers for NA 4 cyl's are so misunderstood. That raceland header's pipes are big enough to where if Derek(the owner) wanted to PNP his head it wouldn't require a custom header to be built because the raceland would still be bigger than the new ports. It's equal length like all the other headers and the runner tubes are bigger than most headers out there(which isn't really a factor with stock ports and valve size atm). To make any kind of significant difference header v. header the superior one would have to be MUCH longer before it collected into one pipe and the TC doesn't have the room to facilitate such a header.
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so RL Header is suffice for choosing vs. a Name Brand option?
Old 08-16-2010 | 04:15 AM
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do name brands use superior diameter piping?
Old 08-16-2010 | 04:36 AM
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We did a good bit of research when building this nitrous/all motor setup. After checking out the name brand headers vs. eBay brands vs. no name setups we choose the raceland. Surprisingly raceland was the most willing to release exact spec info(primarily runner length and pipe ID) but we got it out of everyone we called when we explained we weren't trying to steal their header design.
Old 08-16-2010 | 05:16 AM
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good job on the rx8 tb.
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This things sweet, I want to hear it drive
Old 08-16-2010 | 07:12 AM
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this is gona be interesting lol... gona wait till more stuff is posted or dyno numbers... before i get involved

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Old 08-17-2010 | 05:10 AM
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i like it came out of nowhere, keep the updates going.
Old 08-17-2010 | 10:46 PM
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Hood back on after the small trek we took through Louisiville


Two short drivin vids. The CEL is there because there is no 2nd O2 sensor. Just a plug .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7_lzGhMTQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUUDYN04j8E
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Originally Posted by TCpete
this is gona be interesting lol... gona wait till more stuff is posted or dyno numbers... before i get involved
pete the NA masta will have a competition hahaha
Old 08-17-2010 | 10:50 PM
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Nice, nice. Im curious about power
Old 08-18-2010 | 12:02 AM
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Build pics:



Balance shaft oil hole pluged









Yeah me and my buddy Henry carried that engine up the stairs. Not as light as we thought...



Sam pushing the engine into position




These were taken after several hard break in pulls before we went out to finish the break in and drive around.
This is the father unit

Sam and Derek

Car with a nice tint coming onto the header

Left to Right. Me, Sam and Derek(the owner)

Hood back on after the small trek we took through Louisiville


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i was going to say i dont see any adult beverages in any shots, but now i see that you may be underage, sorry
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hope the dyno numbers are coming soon.
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How much did doing all of this cost you?

Also, have you thought of doing a motor swap (or did you think of doing).
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Yea me and Sam are 20, Derek is 21. He drank, we worked lol.

If we knew the V6 swap was so easy we would have done that but I discovered it RIGHT after we got the engine together. Kind of ____ed us off but that would have cost even more to build up for nitrous, especially if I had to wire it then TIG a bunch of mounts and exhaust pipes up.

If the motor hadn't blown up before the build it would have been around $3k but it turned out around 3700. I could have mic'd the engine and done the head if it wasn't blown to hell but the block, head and camry crank(his stock crank was f-d) had to be checked, honed, and mic'd by the machine shop before I could start.
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Originally Posted by Max Hughes
Headers for NA 4 cyl's are so misunderstood. That raceland header's pipes are big enough to where if Derek(the owner) wanted to PNP his head it wouldn't require a custom header to be built because the raceland would still be bigger than the new ports. It's equal length like all the other headers and the runner tubes are bigger than most headers out there(which isn't really a factor with stock ports and valve size atm). To make any kind of significant difference header v. header the superior one would have to be MUCH longer before it collected into one pipe and the TC doesn't have the room to facilitate such a header.
You are correct they are misunderstood, but the misunderstanding comes from thinking that the header tube primary size is the most important factor. Proper header construction takes into account wave tuning which these, and every header available for the tC does not. There isn't much of a merge collector at all. A proper merge collector consists of more than just plumbing 4 tubes into one. Length and diameter of primary is a factor of flow vs RPM and intended power band. That's a large discussion. Needless to say, no header available for the tC is worth a damn.



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