Sticky Gas Pedal???
01-29-2010, 02:10 AM
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Sticky Gas Pedal???
In light of the recent recall on several Toyota vehicles, I am curious if anyone ELSE has had the gas pedal on their tC 'stick' momentarily?
It has happened to me at least twice (maybe three times) recently. It happens just as I am coming to a stop, when I get down to less than 5mph, the engine RPM increases momentarily prompting me to step down firmly on the brake pedal to make sure the vehicle stops (before I rear end a car in front of me). The RPM's then drop and the car stops OK. . . . . so far.
The first time it happened I thought maybe I had pressed on the gas pedal instead of the brake, but the two times after that, I am 99.999% certain I was stepping on the brake pedal.
FYI/FWIW: Mine is an AT model from 2005 with just under 100K miles.
It has happened to me at least twice (maybe three times) recently. It happens just as I am coming to a stop, when I get down to less than 5mph, the engine RPM increases momentarily prompting me to step down firmly on the brake pedal to make sure the vehicle stops (before I rear end a car in front of me). The RPM's then drop and the car stops OK. . . . . so far.
The first time it happened I thought maybe I had pressed on the gas pedal instead of the brake, but the two times after that, I am 99.999% certain I was stepping on the brake pedal.
FYI/FWIW: Mine is an AT model from 2005 with just under 100K miles.
01-29-2010, 02:37 AM
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wow, this guy is stupid.
think about it. the problem is with the gas pedal STICKING! that would mean that you're cruising, you want to slow down, you take your foot off the gas pedal and apply the brake, but instead of the gas pedal coming back up, it STAYS in the depressed position, leaving the throttle open.
what you're describing is how the car lowers RPM when decelerating, and then before it stalls, it opens the throttle just a smidge to start idling.
the problem you imagined is completely different as some how the pedal would have to some how on its own, depress itself and open the throttle by itself.
think about it. the problem is with the gas pedal STICKING! that would mean that you're cruising, you want to slow down, you take your foot off the gas pedal and apply the brake, but instead of the gas pedal coming back up, it STAYS in the depressed position, leaving the throttle open.
what you're describing is how the car lowers RPM when decelerating, and then before it stalls, it opens the throttle just a smidge to start idling.
the problem you imagined is completely different as some how the pedal would have to some how on its own, depress itself and open the throttle by itself.
01-29-2010, 03:01 AM
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The Camry is one of the vehicles being recalled and the tC has a Camry drivetrain. Just because they haven't announced the tC as being included yet, doesn't mean there are no issues with them.
I may not have explained it perfectly. It may possible that the RPM's never actually decreased, but as the car slowed to a stop the RPM's were still up higher than they should have been.
{edited to remove the unnecessary crap --Tomas}
I may not have explained it perfectly. It may possible that the RPM's never actually decreased, but as the car slowed to a stop the RPM's were still up higher than they should have been.
{edited to remove the unnecessary crap --Tomas}
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01-29-2010, 03:14 AM
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wow.... there's some underwear bunching in here... lol....
to RS1.... I know you've had your car for quite a while and almost 100K on it.... am I correct in assuming that what you are talking about is more than the rpm fluctuation from the vvt-i right?
and just FYI... I'm not getting in the middle of this...but if you get PO'd at someone here on SL... site Moderators dont get placed in those positions on a whim here... just saying that it might get you further to the result you want if you don't completely disrespect a person (moderator) that has the ability to ban you from the site for that kind of language/behaviour. I'm not saying who's right or wrong...but when it turns into a "fight" no one wins.
to RS1.... I know you've had your car for quite a while and almost 100K on it.... am I correct in assuming that what you are talking about is more than the rpm fluctuation from the vvt-i right?
and just FYI... I'm not getting in the middle of this...but if you get PO'd at someone here on SL... site Moderators dont get placed in those positions on a whim here... just saying that it might get you further to the result you want if you don't completely disrespect a person (moderator) that has the ability to ban you from the site for that kind of language/behaviour. I'm not saying who's right or wrong...but when it turns into a "fight" no one wins.
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01-29-2010, 03:17 AM
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In all 4 of my scions, whenever the car was EXTREMELY cold, i would notice that ALL the pedals would not spring back up as quick as they normally would as if it was warm.
BTW, the Camrys that are getting recalled are the 07-10.
The tC has been using the same pedals since 04 (05 model year).
Since there have been 0 cases of this (stated anyway), I think its pretty safe to say that you will be OK.
BTW, the Camrys that are getting recalled are the 07-10.
The tC has been using the same pedals since 04 (05 model year).
Since there have been 0 cases of this (stated anyway), I think its pretty safe to say that you will be OK.
01-29-2010, 03:26 AM
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I think you have given yourself far too much credit.And I wasn't the one that started up with the disrespect.
Some are being recalled for the floor mat issue and other Toyotas are being recalled for something altogether different that causes issues with the accelerator.
AIUI, these are two separate issues and two separate recalls.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fixes-...47835.html?x=0
01-29-2010, 03:33 AM
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I think you have given yourself far too much credit.And I wasn't the one that started up with the disrespect.
Some are being recalled for the floor mat issue and other Toyotas are being recalled for something altogether different that causes issues with the accelerator.
AIUI, these are two separate issues and two separate recalls.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fixes-...47835.html?x=0
01-29-2010, 03:35 AM
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Toyotas that have accelerator assembly made by CTS are the ones affected. Our Scions have the Denso assembly, so I can say we'll be 100% fine.
CTS = Made in USA
Denso = Made in Japan
if you look closer on the accelarator assembly, you will see a stamp print "DENSO" on the side:
that's how you can tell that you're car is japan-made.
CTS = Made in USA
Denso = Made in Japan
if you look closer on the accelarator assembly, you will see a stamp print "DENSO" on the side:
that's how you can tell that you're car is japan-made.
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01-29-2010, 03:38 AM
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^^ def. useful info there Stick... thanks for posting it.
01-29-2010, 03:51 AM
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this kinda gives me mixed feelings about toyota shutting down the NUMMI plant.
01-29-2010, 03:56 AM
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In case the OP didn't notice, the recall affects all Toyota vehicle manufacture in the US excluding the Camry Hybrid and Highlander Hybrid.
Scion are not made in the US and like the above post, vehicle with pedal assembles from CTS are the affected vehicle.
Scion are not made in the US and like the above post, vehicle with pedal assembles from CTS are the affected vehicle.
01-29-2010, 04:04 AM
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I have a feeling CTS is no longer going to be in business after this is said and done... Ford is now stopping production of their Transit Connects for China because they were using CTS pedals. Hopefully Toyota can either put the Denso pedals in their affected cars or come up with a fix ASAP. One dealership by me is advertising they will be operating their service department 24/7 to get all cars repaired once the fix arrives.
01-29-2010, 04:34 AM
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^^^probably explains why a few of the Toyota dealership that I've passed by was still open.
01-29-2010, 04:34 AM
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if you have a J-car then you have a Denso. Latest blog from CTS:
The CTS Corp has made a statement about the Accelerator Gas Pedal Recall that they have made a new, stronger design that should meet the durability needs of this pedal.
The executive states that moisture was the cause behind the malfunctioning of the pedal, and corrective measures have been made to address this.
What they didn’t comment on, and perhaps were not asked, but whether or not their accelerator module enclosure rating was sufficient. This module must be well protected from debris and moisture to prevent problems, more on the CTS pedal module will show that they had an IP64 rating when perhaps they may have needed to provide a greater level of protection.
If they are going through the trouble of creating a new design, it may make sense to up the rating to further prevent the chances of debris, moisture or other types of foreign material to cause additional problems in the future.
The executive states that moisture was the cause behind the malfunctioning of the pedal, and corrective measures have been made to address this.
What they didn’t comment on, and perhaps were not asked, but whether or not their accelerator module enclosure rating was sufficient. This module must be well protected from debris and moisture to prevent problems, more on the CTS pedal module will show that they had an IP64 rating when perhaps they may have needed to provide a greater level of protection.
If they are going through the trouble of creating a new design, it may make sense to up the rating to further prevent the chances of debris, moisture or other types of foreign material to cause additional problems in the future.
01-29-2010, 04:36 AM
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stick 1nz, thanks for the info and taking the time to post the pic.
I realize that the parts being recalled are not the ones found on the tC.
However, that still doesn't mean that it's impossible for the (my) tC (or any car really) to have an issue with the accelerator sticking. Mine has done it. At least twice in the past month. It's not severe, just a brief moment of "WTF was that?" It happened yesterday on my way home from work.
Just wondering if anyone else has experienced the same thing.
I realize that the parts being recalled are not the ones found on the tC.
However, that still doesn't mean that it's impossible for the (my) tC (or any car really) to have an issue with the accelerator sticking. Mine has done it. At least twice in the past month. It's not severe, just a brief moment of "WTF was that?" It happened yesterday on my way home from work.
Just wondering if anyone else has experienced the same thing.
01-29-2010, 04:39 AM
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The two million+ pedals Toyota needs to replace recalled units account for more than CTS’s annual pedal production, meaning dealers could be stuck with unsaleable models for an extended period.
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01-29-2010, 05:07 AM
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nope.. not me.. no sticking..
not sure what your problem is.. but it's certainly not related to the recall..
it's probably because you're driving an automatic... rpms will do that..
people need to stop panicking about that.. it doesn't affect us.
good night people.
not sure what your problem is.. but it's certainly not related to the recall..
it's probably because you're driving an automatic... rpms will do that..
people need to stop panicking about that.. it doesn't affect us.
good night people.
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