Hey, I'm new to this site and I don't if anyone had ever posted this question before. I was wondering if anyone knows if its possible to swap out the 2az-fe motor and put in the 3sge motor from the Japanese Celica to the TC. Seeing how popular the 3sge engine is from the Altezza, MR2, and the Celica, I just thought maybe this engine would be better since there are more parts for that engine. I've seen people swap in the 3sge motor into a 93 FF Corolla before so that's why I'm asking if that would be good. Just a thought. If its not a good idea, can you tell me why. I really wanna know.

 

you want to step down from 2.4 L to 2.0 L?

 

i hope you were talkin bout swaping in the 3sgte not the 3sge........ the base engine would be a major power loss....

 

^^ really? I thought the latest 3SGE made ~200BHP on the Toyta Altezza.

 

Who says there isn't any market for the 2AZ? The only things I see we are lacking is Intake Manifold, Cams (exept for S/C) and some little things. There is a LOT of aftermarket for this engine.

 

CuriousFish, you may want to check the F/I area of these boards. People have really taken this motor to some extreme levels from what I've seen and I'm not exactly a big gearhead. I do know this engine can move you if that's what you're looking for. It's all about the money, knowledge, space and time.

 

Firstly yeah, I do agree that stepping down from a 2.4L to a 2.0L seem odd. But with the 2az-fe pumping only 160 hp, I thought maybe the 2.0L 3sge could be better with 200 hp stock without superchargers or turbos. It might help you save some weight too, I could be wrong though. And soros151, don't get me wrong, I don't doubt or look down on the 2az-fe motor. I was just thinking since the 3sge had been around longer, that motor would probably have been a more popular 4 cylinder engine in toyota. That's why I think there are more mods for that engine. But if I wanted turbo 3sgte would be sweet with over 200 hp. I think I'm happy enough with the NA 3s engine. And also I just the engines would be better being a ge than an fe. What do you guys think?

 

True, and as always has been said about swaps. With enough money, anything is possible. :D

 

I'm still being lost at the part where a 2.0L is making 200WHP...

 

200hp I think it is, at the crank.

 

Even then, the 2.4L 2AZ-FE makes 160 at the crank. Our cars average 130-140 to the wheels. Is it different compression ratios or something?

 

Could be compression, higher revving, timing...blah blah blah.

RX7's are 1.3 litres and can make gobs of power...but thats an unfair comparison.

 

that's a wankel...wankels are in a whole different league

 

If your talking about how a 2.0L makes more power than the 2.4L, then yeah the compression ratio on the 3sge is higher than the 2az-fe. The higher the compression ratio makes more airflow, I guess. More airflow means more power. But that wouldn't help save gas though.

 

Some of you guys need to study engines a little bit more. . . bigger doesn't always equal better. The original S2000 motor (2.0L) put out 240hp STOCK and N/A. They later upped the displacement to something like 2.2 and increased torque.

There are many reasons to swap out the 2AZ. . . is it a bad motor? No, it's a perfectly good motor!!!!! But it is definitely NOT the world's best motor. For a whopping 2.4L, it's not exactly class leading in power output.

 

And that is why our cars is 16k.

 

haha.... 2.4L and 160hp.... its definitely a dud outta the box....

but the potential is surprising

 

And that's why I bought one. I'm not bashing the car in any way, shape, or form.

 

Call me a nut about overthinking about this earlier, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's why Toyota used the 2AZ in our cars as opposed to the 2ZZ-FE in the old Celica. The 2.4L is honestly rock solid for heavy amounts of boost and other extensive modifications, and the tC was built for the purpose of being modified.

 

i think it's overall a thing toyota did to save money thus making our car the price it is. i think the camry engine was a cheaper choice and w/ the nice small tourque in the beginning it gave it a nice sporty feel.

imo, truthfulyl i don't think they intended it to be sucha heavilly modded engine, otherwise they woulda went w/ their higher revving engines...

but i can see the curiosity in wanting to swap ina 2sgte, kinda liek 240sx's w/ the want to go from a 2.4 litre engine to a turbo'ed 2.0 engine, the 2.0 has more aftermarket support thus making it a easier to tune engine.