egobuster1

alright so here is my sitaution. im wanting to get at least 200HP out of my tC and as far as my knowledge goes you can not tune on the stock ecu.
so my question is would it be worth buying the greddy emanage system or the AEM one and replacing my stock ecu and getting the car tuned and i would like to boost later on

topekatc

iTrader: (1)

if you do some searching people on here have done it...some got results others didn't...if you plan on boostin later on wouldn't hurt to buy now and do some playin with it while ur n/a if you plan to tune your own car when you do get boosted

ESEMRFOZZ13

best mod for me, changed the character of the car. i was burning rich before the tuning

KillaSpiceTSW

Im running ultra rich as well.. Im wondering if I need a piggyback or something along those lines.

egobuster1

what would you recommened then i see a lot of talk about the greddy emanage but i know theres multiple version not sure which is best.
not even sure how you go abut program it do they come with base maps or do i need to take it a to a tuner to get a tune on it.
just really need to nooby help with this hole thing i just feel like you can get more then 160hp out of a 2.4ltr with out boost

paul_dezod

You can get close to 200HP out of the 2AZ n/a, however it takes a LOT of coin and work. For example, intake/header/exhaust/cams and tuning yielded about 36whp using this unit:
http://www.dezod.com/pd_apr.cfm

egobuster1

damn that would be to bad since the only thing id be missing on my car would be cams and i was thinking of grabbing a set if i could make the power but that dezod thing is mad expensive..holy hell

egobuster1

i dont get how the dezod thing is better then lets says the greddy emanage cuz it looks like the greddy can do more

Rockztar

iTrader: (1)

I remember a while ago there was a company selling this boxes or chips. You basically told them your set up (i.e. trd intake, tsudo catback, weapon-r header, etc.) and they would tune it for you, and all you had to do was plug it in your car. They were like $400, but i can't remember who sells them or how well they work(ed)...if anybody knows what im talking about, please let me know.

Kanchi

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^unichip. I have one on my car. Later in the month I am going to get it dyno'd and see what difference it makes in black & white.

KillaKeola

Here's some helpful links

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=182681

http://clubsciontc.com/forums/natura...-thread-34100/

gwtc

iTrader: (4)

I think he meant the Camcon VVT-I controller.

paul_dezod

EMU can do LESS, not more.

EMU can control fuel in open loop, but struggles in closed.
EMU has poor ignition control
EMU can alter redline
EMU can not alter top speed

APR CAN control fuel 100% in open and closed loop (fully customizable fuel maps)

APR can retard AND advance ignition timing'

APR can alter redline

APR can alter top speed

APR can work well with boost or S/C should you go on down the road to do so.

I have maps for BC S2 cams to cut down on tuning time for you in the APR.

APR comes plug-n-play, EMU requires a harness, which costs another $300 now making that unit a $950 choice.

egobuster1

alright i see what your saying. just i can pick up the greddy emanage off one of the guys around here parting turbo kits for cheap so i got thinking like if i hooked that up and tuned could i really make a difference to my car

egobuster1

after reading this i think its way cheaper prob to buy a used complete turbo kit and just slap it on the car and tune it and run that and slowly build the motor as the money comes in

ESEMRFOZZ13

the $950 is not a fact, and the ultimate does remove the top speed gov. the closed loop is perfectly fine for n/a.

KillaKeola

APR Unit FTW! Im looking to get this.I just cant afford it at the moment but it looks like the best option.

If your looking to get a lot of hp without spending ridiculous amounts of money and time go turbo. Im on a N/A kick right now. I wanna break 190whp without touching the block just doing bolt-ons,head work and a tune. Call me crazy but I think it can be done.

egobuster1

yep so i guess i save my dollars and get myself a nice turbo kit and call it a day

divisii

Reading the benefits for turbo, what are the benefits of the APR for the TRD supercharged?

paul_dezod

The same as turbo. Full fuel control in open and closed loop, extended rev limiter for more boost, full ignition control and 2 step launch control.