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Old 08-10-2006, 04:34 PM
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I have never required engine management on any mildly ported head I have used or ported for someone. However, if you make it more of a race port, you might need to adjust the fuel settings to keep up, but I am not quite sure why on the tC it requires the piggy back for the stage 1. I too would like an explanation.
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Old 08-10-2006, 04:59 PM
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well let me correct my last post this is what their website says:
"This system will make the car run overly rich and more power can be found when used in conjunction with a piggyback fuel controller. "

So I guess you don't absolutely need it on the stage 1, just makes it much more effective...
wonder if the same applies to stage 2??
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Old 08-12-2006, 12:01 AM
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more info?
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Old 08-13-2006, 10:19 PM
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yes i would also like to know more info on the stage I and stage 2 heads. cause i am really interested in buying one of them. ZPI?


and if anyone has anyone of the heads on....

can i get some feed back?


cause i want to make my tc the fastest it can be without f/i.


oh and a quick question... sorry if this has been answered already but if you do change the heads.... how does it affect the tc's fuel efficiency? and would i start needing to fill up with 91 or wat? yea sorry for the question but yea i'm a noob. but i am a noob thats trying to learn. ;)
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Old 08-13-2006, 10:47 PM
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well, the stage 1 has added 21 whp without tuning so im thinking maybe one or two more oculd be added to gain efficiency. As far as the stage 2, I don't recall but I don't think it has any further porting and polishing it has more internals allowing you to run higher RPMs HOWEVER since yo u do not want to go the F/I route higher RPMS is almost pointless as our car falls back on its face after about 5500 so running higher RPMS won't do much good as we lose torque so I think you're better off running a stage 1 head without F/I. And you should only run 89+ when you are either
A) High compression
B) Turboed/SCed

nice to see you're trying to learn
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Old 08-14-2006, 12:33 AM
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Not necesarrly you would fall down on your face. You just have to adjust for more fuel and air at higher RPMs to expand the band of usage.
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Old 08-14-2006, 09:13 AM
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Actually the stock camshaft profile will be the one keeping the power band from moving up to higher RPM's, maybe if you could control VVT-i then maybe get power at a slightly higher RPM but really you need different cams.
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Old 08-14-2006, 01:32 PM
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different cams are going to be difficult to use, and because the way our vvt-i works, there really isn't a controller that "totally" controls it, a good portion of its control is hydraulic, not much we can control about that lol...
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Old 08-14-2006, 09:39 PM
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Well if someone was really going all motor then just completely removing VVT-i would probably be beneficial.
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:25 AM
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That's what Durst did in her All Motor tC.
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:01 AM
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well, the more i think about it, the more that i think i'm going to get one of these bad boys. yes, a camshaft would be a nice addition, but hey, 20whp for $500 bucks isn't too shabby. add in an emanage, and a 75 shot and i'm good to go. next summer's project, woot!
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tc2nut4
well, the stage 1 has added 21 whp without tuning so im thinking maybe one or two more oculd be added to gain efficiency. As far as the stage 2, I don't recall but I don't think it has any further porting and polishing it has more internals allowing you to run higher RPMs HOWEVER since yo u do not want to go the F/I route higher RPMS is almost pointless as our car falls back on its face after about 5500 so running higher RPMS won't do much good as we lose torque so I think you're better off running a stage 1 head without F/I. And you should only run 89+ when you are either
A) High compression
B) Turboed/SCed

nice to see you're trying to learn
I'd be careful about bumping that rev limiter, it's not just the internals that could be the problem it's the fact that the oil pump also runs off of rpms so more rpms=more stress on the oil pump=not good, lol
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:20 AM
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If the oil pump can take the stress from pulley swaps, I think take can take the increase of RPMs but without the pulley. Just my 2 cents.

NOTE: Just my opinion, not making a statement!!
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^I just know that I don't want to be the one to find out, lol
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an electric water pump wouldn't be a bad idea either. i mean, freeing up a little drain on the engine and having peace of mind that high revs aren't going to hurt the stocker never hurt anything did it? anyone know if anything like that can be put into our cars?
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Old 08-15-2006, 12:06 PM
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probably not too easily.
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Old 10-27-2006, 05:11 PM
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any update on this? Is there a dyno chart out there proving this head? :D
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Old 10-29-2006, 02:39 AM
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Anyone doing their OWN head work??? Anything to report?
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Old 10-29-2006, 02:54 AM
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Doing your own headwork, will have different results, so what maybe worked for someone, maybe wn't work for you. But still I haven't seen anyone with resluts from head port or things like that.
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Old 10-30-2006, 12:25 PM
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true enough...YMMV

I do my own head work...long, painstaking work to get it all even and right, but worth it in the end. I haven't done a 2AZ-FE head yet though.
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