318_tC Dyno Results-454whp
06-05-2007, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by paul_dezod
Originally Posted by etsnet
You can in a way. For example if you pull a 350-375 with your setup and the AEM then obviously something is wrong.
The Hydra is pulling about 330 for stock turbo on what 10psi. I haven't seen an emanage do that without cranking up the boost to a dangerous level.
The EMS is merely a way of engine control and more in depth tuning, not a means of more power like an instant byproduct of power. It allows you to dial in the tuning aspect as precisely to the level as good as the person tuning it wants or can afford, which CAN yield more power. What you see, is what you get with a standalone. Boost is what makes your power with proper tuning.
06-05-2007, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by etsnet
Originally Posted by paul_dezod
Originally Posted by etsnet
You can in a way. For example if you pull a 350-375 with your setup and the AEM then obviously something is wrong.
The Hydra is pulling about 330 for stock turbo on what 10psi. I haven't seen an emanage do that without cranking up the boost to a dangerous level.
The EMS is merely a way of engine control and more in depth tuning, not a means of more power like an instant byproduct of power. It allows you to dial in the tuning aspect as precisely to the level as good as the person tuning it wants or can afford, which CAN yield more power. What you see, is what you get with a standalone. Boost is what makes your power with proper tuning.
06-05-2007, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 318_tC
didnt know aem made you gain power....i thought it was all in the tuner
06-05-2007, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by etsnet
Originally Posted by 318_tC
392.1whp.....
lol i really dont know
estnet, i dont think u can compre what numbers i make on aem compared to what someone makes on the hydra
lol i really dont know
estnet, i dont think u can compre what numbers i make on aem compared to what someone makes on the hydra
The Hydra is pulling about 330 for stock turbo on what 10psi. I haven't seen an emanage do that without cranking up the boost to a dangerous level.
The real test is when the AEM and hydra are running on all these built motors that are out and coming out.
and exactly wich turbo on the tc is stock??
06-05-2007, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Brett
Originally Posted by etsnet
Originally Posted by 318_tC
392.1whp.....
lol i really dont know
estnet, i dont think u can compre what numbers i make on aem compared to what someone makes on the hydra
lol i really dont know
estnet, i dont think u can compre what numbers i make on aem compared to what someone makes on the hydra
The Hydra is pulling about 330 for stock turbo on what 10psi. I haven't seen an emanage do that without cranking up the boost to a dangerous level.
The real test is when the AEM and hydra are running on all these built motors that are out and coming out.
and exactly wich turbo on the tc is stock??
06-05-2007, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by etsnet
Originally Posted by 318_tC
didnt know aem made you gain power....i thought it was all in the tuner
06-05-2007, 11:13 PM
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Yeah, the guy here said he had heard some AEM had some problems which translates to "I don't like tuning AEM so much" So I'll just have to ask what he is good with. I'll probably end up with the AEM F/IC Piggyback anyway!
06-05-2007, 11:53 PM
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In case anyone was curious:
http://www.dtafast.co.uk/
I got the S60pro
http://www.dtafast.co.uk/S_60_PRO.htm
I don't know of any options that AEM has that the S60 doesn't, but I'm no expert.
And it seems as though they are releasing new features all the time:
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V32 Release:- Various Extensions
V32 Release of the S series software and firmware adds the ability:-
To use the ALS output instead of Aux3 for VTEC control
Alter the cam advance control algorith for Honda, Toyota and Ford ST170 cam systems
Add support for the Ford ST170 5 tooth cam signal
Add support for the Ford Mustang 360 V8, 5 tooth cam pattern
Add native support for two cylinder engines
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V30 Release:- Idle Speed Increase During Air Conditioner Operation
V30 Release of the S series software and firmware adds the ability to use the gear shift input to increase the idle base PWM increasing engine power at idle whilst the air conditioning compressor is working. See wiring diagram for implentation details.
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V29 Release:- Support for 3 and 5 Cylinder Engines
V29 Release of the S series software and firmware adds native support for three cylinder engines on an S60 and three and five cylinder engines on the S80/S100. An option to give out genuine three and five cylinder tachometer signals is also provided.
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S60 V28.00 Release:- Many New Additions
V28.00 of the S60 Firmware adds:-
Ability to run the crankshaft oscilloscope while the engine is running.
Add total attempted starts to diagnostics page.
Add support for Toyota 1ZZ and 2ZZ crank and cam patterns
Ability to switch injectors as a function of manifold pressure.
Add limits to the travel of the traction control agression ****.
Add support for the 48 - 2 cam mounted sensor on the Duccati 749R V twin bike engine.
Add support for Bosch 3 wire idle valve.
Add self test capability for all auxilliary outputs.
Add redundant TPS facility so if one fails the other takes over.
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S60 V24.00 Release:- Traction Control and Fuel Consumption Added
V24.00 of the S60 Firmware adds traction control and fuel consumption calculations.
Traction control is implemented using a wheel speed sensor on an undriven wheel and a gear dependent distance table providing the raw data. A gearbox sensor must be fitted. The aggression of the system, that is how much spark cut is implemented for an amount of wheel spin can be either fixed in the map or controlled by a potentiometer on the dashboard of the car.
Fuel consumption in fuel used per hour and MPG or L/100Km is calculated from the flow rate of the injectors.
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S60 V23.00 Release:- Idle Speed Control Using Ignition Advance
V23.00 of the S60 Firmware allows the use of ignition advance to control idle speed on vehicles where no idle PWM valve is present and cannot be fitted. All features of the PWM valve control are implemented but using advance as an alternative control system.
http://www.dtafast.co.uk/
I got the S60pro
http://www.dtafast.co.uk/S_60_PRO.htm
I don't know of any options that AEM has that the S60 doesn't, but I'm no expert.
And it seems as though they are releasing new features all the time:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
V32 Release:- Various Extensions
V32 Release of the S series software and firmware adds the ability:-
To use the ALS output instead of Aux3 for VTEC control
Alter the cam advance control algorith for Honda, Toyota and Ford ST170 cam systems
Add support for the Ford ST170 5 tooth cam signal
Add support for the Ford Mustang 360 V8, 5 tooth cam pattern
Add native support for two cylinder engines
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
V30 Release:- Idle Speed Increase During Air Conditioner Operation
V30 Release of the S series software and firmware adds the ability to use the gear shift input to increase the idle base PWM increasing engine power at idle whilst the air conditioning compressor is working. See wiring diagram for implentation details.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
V29 Release:- Support for 3 and 5 Cylinder Engines
V29 Release of the S series software and firmware adds native support for three cylinder engines on an S60 and three and five cylinder engines on the S80/S100. An option to give out genuine three and five cylinder tachometer signals is also provided.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
S60 V28.00 Release:- Many New Additions
V28.00 of the S60 Firmware adds:-
Ability to run the crankshaft oscilloscope while the engine is running.
Add total attempted starts to diagnostics page.
Add support for Toyota 1ZZ and 2ZZ crank and cam patterns
Ability to switch injectors as a function of manifold pressure.
Add limits to the travel of the traction control agression ****.
Add support for the 48 - 2 cam mounted sensor on the Duccati 749R V twin bike engine.
Add support for Bosch 3 wire idle valve.
Add self test capability for all auxilliary outputs.
Add redundant TPS facility so if one fails the other takes over.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
S60 V24.00 Release:- Traction Control and Fuel Consumption Added
V24.00 of the S60 Firmware adds traction control and fuel consumption calculations.
Traction control is implemented using a wheel speed sensor on an undriven wheel and a gear dependent distance table providing the raw data. A gearbox sensor must be fitted. The aggression of the system, that is how much spark cut is implemented for an amount of wheel spin can be either fixed in the map or controlled by a potentiometer on the dashboard of the car.
Fuel consumption in fuel used per hour and MPG or L/100Km is calculated from the flow rate of the injectors.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
S60 V23.00 Release:- Idle Speed Control Using Ignition Advance
V23.00 of the S60 Firmware allows the use of ignition advance to control idle speed on vehicles where no idle PWM valve is present and cannot be fitted. All features of the PWM valve control are implemented but using advance as an alternative control system.
06-06-2007, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Brett
like i said before. if tc4fun4ne made 443. then im geussing jeff will put dow 460-480 at same psi. bigger turbo, e.l. mani, 3" turbo back.
Sounds about right to me. He will see more then 450 whp hopefully. Good luck man! Let us know asap.
