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Old 07-01-2009 | 01:22 AM
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PNP EMS.... pretty please

This is cool though. If i was in the market I would choose this.
Old 07-01-2009 | 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by EDatAEMPOWER
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Welcome Ed, im glad to see aem on the boards.

now with this new fic have you guys cleared the little bug about the fic having issues with the cam and crank sensors with the tc? We all have been using the resistors on the cam and crank wires which has been working out quit well but like to get your input on it.
Thank you, glad to be here. Our current harness that is shipping with the PnP Kit does not have any resistors built into it and from our experience does not need any. We just had an 05 tC in here a few weeks ago that tuned out just fine with the harness that is supplied with our kit.

Maybe if you can get me some more information on why people are doing this mod, I can have the engineers take a look into it.


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there is an entire thread about it https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=248460 and its also what i was told to do by AEM customer service. In short somehow the fic and the cam & crank sensors dont like each other....lol....the car will eventually throw a cam & crank cel. it took my car 2 or 3 weeks befor it gave me that code but after the resistors were installed the code went away and never came back after almost a year.
Old 07-01-2009 | 01:32 AM
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curious how you wouldnt know about this since i was told to do this by AEM. The guy even told me the exact resistor to use.
Old 07-01-2009 | 12:39 PM
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ed probably a salesmen.... or a fraud!
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Originally Posted by ElevationTC
ed probably a salesmen.... or a fraud!
hmm..
Old 07-01-2009 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace83
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ed probably a salesmen.... or a fraud!
hmm..
im thinking he is defff a salesmen.. As he has nothing negative to say!

We already know aem is not going to put a bigger memory chip in the fic.. yet he says well look into it!

Salesmen never say no!

Anyways its better he's here then no one!
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yeah most likely a salesman, if he was a fraud he would have been selling stuff by now
Old 07-01-2009 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace83
yeah most likely a salesman, if he was a fraud he would have been selling stuff by now
the fraud thing was a joke..

i wish a techy would come over from aem!
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Hehe I know for a fact Ed actually works in the Electronics Tech Department and is in no way a salesman.

You never know they may change the FIC in the future to have a larger on board memory. The FI/C 8 has 2mb vs 64kb in the FIC 6.

You can also always just buy the jumper harness and the 8 instead it has more functions than the 6.
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Originally Posted by rtype16
Hehe I know for a fact Ed actually works in the Electronics Tech Department and is in no way a salesman.

You never know they may change the FIC in the future to have a larger on board memory. The FI/C 8 has 2mb vs 64kb in the FIC 6.

You can also always just buy the jumper harness and the 8 instead it has more functions than the 6.

Ok first off... What duplicate account are you? WHY?

and thanks for the info!
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Not a duplicte account although I as well work for AEM. Im the one who always posts up things about Tanner Foust/Scion TC drift car. Ed's thing is completely different from me.

My name is Greg Nakano if you all must know. Google me if you want to see who I am haha.
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I'm not here trying to sell you guys anything, just to offer support.

I'll look into the Cam/Crank resistor modifications and get back to you guys.

Ed
Old 07-01-2009 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EDatAEMPOWER
I'm not here trying to sell you guys anything, just to offer support.

I'll look into the Cam/Crank resistor modifications and get back to you guys.

Ed
Ed do you answer to John R there in tech?
Old 07-01-2009 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rtype16
Hehe I know for a fact Ed actually works in the Electronics Tech Department and is in no way a salesman.

You never know they may change the FIC in the future to have a larger on board memory. The FI/C 8 has 2mb vs 64kb in the FIC 6.

You can also always just buy the jumper harness and the 8 instead it has more functions than the 6.
Very true the FIC8 does offer a fair amount of additional functionality over the 6.
RODUCT COMPARISON : F/IC-6 AND F/IC-8
Comparison link to each:
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory...CategoryID=116
Old 07-01-2009 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by paul_dezod
Originally Posted by rtype16
Hehe I know for a fact Ed actually works in the Electronics Tech Department and is in no way a salesman.

You never know they may change the FIC in the future to have a larger on board memory. The FI/C 8 has 2mb vs 64kb in the FIC 6.

You can also always just buy the jumper harness and the 8 instead it has more functions than the 6.
Very true the FIC8 does offer a fair amount of additional functionality over the 6.
RODUCT COMPARISON : F/IC-6 AND F/IC-8
Comparison link to each:
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory...CategoryID=116

Wow sick info! something good finnaly came out of this thread! thanks paul!

as well do you sell the aem selinoid for controlling boost via aem ems?
Old 07-01-2009 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ElevationTC
Originally Posted by paul_dezod
Originally Posted by rtype16
Hehe I know for a fact Ed actually works in the Electronics Tech Department and is in no way a salesman.

You never know they may change the FIC in the future to have a larger on board memory. The FI/C 8 has 2mb vs 64kb in the FIC 6.

You can also always just buy the jumper harness and the 8 instead it has more functions than the 6.
Very true the FIC8 does offer a fair amount of additional functionality over the 6.
RODUCT COMPARISON : F/IC-6 AND F/IC-8
Comparison link to each:
http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory...CategoryID=116

Wow sick info! something good finnaly came out of this thread! thanks paul!

as well do you sell the aem selinoid for controlling boost via aem ems?
Indeed we do! We sell ALL of the accessories for the box.

In this section:
http://www.dezod.com/cat_standalone_systems.cfm


Specifically
http://www.dezod.com/pd_aem_boost_co...b_adapters.cfm
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Let me break down the cam/crank resistor mod once and for all.

The ORIGINAL/PRIMARY reason why we suggested this modification was to address an issue with a 2004 AUTOMATIC xB Turbo that we had in house.

The F/IC was designed to be a very sensitive unit, which is a good and bad thing. Good being it is able to work with a broad range of vehicles, bad being it will possibly pickup nose and interpret that as an extra signal from the sensors.

With that being said, the 2004 xB we were working on had a misfire issue under high load. This was due to a combination of noise interference and a sensitive F/IC unit.

The reason why I originally said that I wasn't aware of this issue is because it has nothing to do with the tC application. I don't believe we're going to be desensitizing the F/IC in anyway for one application.

Now to answer everyones question, not EVERYONE is going to have this issue. If you do come across what feels/seems like an ignition misfire event, then you can try this resistor mod which seems to be working for some.

The most important thing to remember is that the tC runs best on the Z104.hex. Before you start to worry about if you need to do the resistor mod or not, please make sure you're on the right hex file.

If anyone has questions, please feel free to PM to discuss further.

Ed
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Originally Posted by paul_dezod
Originally Posted by EDatAEMPOWER
I'm not here trying to sell you guys anything, just to offer support.

I'll look into the Cam/Crank resistor modifications and get back to you guys.

Ed
Ed do you answer to John R there in tech?
Paul,

I work closely with everyone in tech.
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Originally Posted by EDatAEMPOWER
Originally Posted by paul_dezod
Originally Posted by EDatAEMPOWER
I'm not here trying to sell you guys anything, just to offer support.

I'll look into the Cam/Crank resistor modifications and get back to you guys.

Ed
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Paul,

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Say high to John R and Henry S for me. Jeremy N too.
Old 07-01-2009 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by EDatAEMPOWER
Let me break down the cam/crank resistor mod once and for all.

The ORIGINAL/PRIMARY reason why we suggested this modification was to address an issue with a 2004 AUTOMATIC xB Turbo that we had in house.

The F/IC was designed to be a very sensitive unit, which is a good and bad thing. Good being it is able to work with a broad range of vehicles, bad being it will possibly pickup nose and interpret that as an extra signal from the sensors.

With that being said, the 2004 xB we were working on had a misfire issue under high load. This was due to a combination of noise interference and a sensitive F/IC unit.

The reason why I originally said that I wasn't aware of this issue is because it has nothing to do with the tC application. I don't believe we're going to be desensitizing the F/IC in anyway for one application.

Now to answer everyones question, not EVERYONE is going to have this issue. If you do come across what feels/seems like an ignition misfire event, then you can try this resistor mod which seems to be working for some.

The most important thing to remember is that the tC runs best on the Z104.hex. Before you start to worry about if you need to do the resistor mod or not, please make sure you're on the right hex file.

If anyone has questions, please feel free to PM to discuss further.

Ed
iv stressed that a bunch around here about the z104.hex...now i have ran with z107 (which sucked) but didnt throw any codes. however the only codes i have thrown (besides the norm codes you may get from excessive fuel trims...corrected those btw..lol) was P0420 Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)
and the crankshaft/camshaft (cant remember if i got one or both and cant remember if it was system high/low/malfunction or what). like i said right after I installed the resistors i never threw another cam or crank code again.

I understand that you can eliminate the p0420 code with the fic 02 map but would like more detailes how and why...thanks



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