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Old 05-29-2009, 03:35 AM
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What in the world are you talking about ace? lol. Does my problem sound like a vac leak to you ace?
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Old 05-29-2009, 04:34 AM
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What in the world are you talking about ace? lol. Does my problem sound like a vac leak to you ace?
very possible a vac leak like chris mentioned... or maybe a confused stock ecu lmao.. check you vacuum lines and lets go from there.

and oh troubleshoot box is just a box of turbo parts you store or carry around just in case something happens.. it will come handy especially that most these parts is hard to find local..

What i have in my box
1. gaskets- t3, 4 bolt, deltagate, valve cover, manifold
2. t bolt clamps, worm gears
3. vband clamps
4. arp bolts
5. rachets, screw driver, hex key
6. teflon, red rtv
7. gapping tool
8. caliper
9. npt fittings, t fitting and couplers for vacuum hoses
10 other stuff
and oh zip ties!!!
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^ ur FUKN smart man. turn the car on and while its idling take some brake cleaner and spray over your vacuum lines. if the idle changed than you have a leak. you can spray it anywhere you think it could leak from. try it out,
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^ ur FUKN smart man. turn the car on and while its idling take some brake cleaner and spray over your vacuum lines. if the idle changed than you have a leak. you can spray it anywhere you think it could leak from. try it out,
oh snap some one is going old school ...I remember that trick for finding an intake mani leak. I forgot about that, good thinking.
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Old 05-30-2009, 11:19 PM
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Oh man. This problem is soooooo intermittent. Tried working on the problem today with my buddy, we went back to stock ecu, stock injectors, and stock plugs to eliminate tune being a problem. The car kept surging with the vacuum staying at 10inHg after start up. We tried to spray WD40 on all the vac lines to pinpoint the problem but still didn't see a change in the idle. If we held the gas down at 2k or so, the car would purrr just fine and the boost gauge read 20inHg. We then tried to undo all the zip ties on the hoses and see if that made a difference on the idle...it didn't. Then he tried to pinch the vac lines one by one, and I tried to see if there was a change in pressure or not. As he went down the vac block, the car just started to idle normally at 20inHg out of the blue. We were puzzled. We let the car cool off and it still fires up just fine at 20inHg. I have notice that this problem happens usually only when i've let the car sit there for a little while. Once the car starts up, the problem usually doesn't happen anymore.

I'm just going to redo the vac block with yellow teflon, and use metal hose clamps. I hope that fixes it. Tune tomorrow though!
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^ ur FUKN smart man. turn the car on and while its idling take some brake cleaner and spray over your vacuum lines. if the idle changed than you have a leak. you can spray it anywhere you think it could leak from. try it out,
oh snap some one is going old school ...I remember that trick for finding an intake mani leak. I forgot about that, good thinking.
ya one of my buddies dads taught me that when I was younger. I installed an edelbrock intake manifold on my integra and somewere a long we missed a hose and it was getting to me cause the car started to run like ____. I called and woke him up at 1 A.M. to see if i could go borrow his trailer cause i did not want to leave it out on the street ( B20 bottom end with B17 GSR head top end) cause chances are it would have got stolen. I did the work at his house and he told me to walk across the street to wall mart buy some brake cleaner and then spray it around my lines to find out and see if that was the problem. sure enought i narrowed it down and he did not have to come down to help me out. Ive used it ever since.
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good luck on the tune man!
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yeah good luck brethren
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Oil pressure issue is killing me. I think mobil 1 5-30 cannot handle the heat of my engine. We went out to take 7-8 WOT runs on the high way and my oil pressure was almost nothing at idle. On the way home we had to let the car cool down because we could hear the cams chattering because they were not getting lubed up. I think I'm going to switch over to 10w40 and see how that works. The tune was good when it was warm but now since the car cooled off, and I drove it home, it was running rich cruising. It had a rough time idling. I never catch a break around here man. lol.
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:17 AM
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Oh yeah, I'm throwing codes p0031 and p0012.

P0012 Generic Intake Camshaft Position Timing - Over-Retarded (Bank 1)

P0031 Generic HO2S Heater Control Circuit Low (Bank 1, Sensor 1)
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when i changed ptguy08's oil he had 5w30 and his oil pressure numbers were around like 8-9 at idle after how.. we used royal purple 10w30 and his numbers are in the 20's when the car is cold once it heats up it stays around 15-20 deff seen a difference in changeing oil weights
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that low oil pressure bothers me still....its almost like your oil pump is having a hard time picking up oil out of the pan.
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try changeing the bank 1 o2 sensor?
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Old 06-01-2009, 03:23 AM
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Chris, i think it is just thermal break down of the oil. It just can't handle it. Even cruising after those WOT pulls my oil pressure was really low 8-9psi. It HAS to be it. I don't have any clogs, and it would be coincidental that my oil pump JUST went out the same time I did my turbo install.

It worries me too chris, when i heard my cams chattering, I just killed my motor and cruised it.
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matter a fact i did a camry that had them same 2 codes i changed the o2 sensor and it fixed it o2 sensor can trigger alot of things.. also a vac leak can cause an o2 code also
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hey Kev, Idle pressure is not as important cuz there's no load on the engine. When I was using Pennzoil Plat 5w-30 my idle was between 8-11 when warmed up good. Now with Royal Purple 5w-30 it sits at 10-14. Every oil is gonna be different even on the same weight category. With the pennzoil, it would only take about 10 miles drive to get to optimum temp on that oil (38-45 psi). On the RP it takes about 25 miles drive to get to (48-58 psi)

Lower pressure means more flow of oil=lower engine temps. Higher is not always more lubrication, that's just part of the oil properties, but it helps a bit with HEAVY engine loads to keep a film in between parts.

Personally I wouldn't go 10w-40, it is too thick at start up which is when u need most of ur lubrication. Rule of thumb is 10 psi of oil for every 1000 rpm. When fully warmed up the 10w-40 protection is almost nothing compared to all the time that it takes to thin up.

I would stick with 5w-30 and just try getting one that might be on the thicker side, but that it's a lot thinner on cold start and warm up time compared to a 5w-40 or 10w-40.

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Originally Posted by all4degame
Chris, i think it is just thermal break down of the oil. It just can't handle it. Even cruising after those WOT pulls my oil pressure was really low 8-9psi. It HAS to be it. I don't have any clogs, and it would be coincidental that my oil pump JUST went out the same time I did my turbo install.

It worries me too chris, when i heard my cams chattering, I just killed my motor and cruised it.
you could be right, ima talk to garret (the fantastic G) about his car...he called me up one day freaking out that his oil pressure wasnt has high as mine but then realized that he has an 06 and i have an 07 with an oil cooler...I think he runs 10w-30....

btw in case no one told you that boosting your car means your gonna get paranoid too

not saying its paranoia.

just need someone with an 05-06 to compair your oil pressure to in order to confirm.
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Hey Chris my friend who bought your simple kit, his oil pressure at idle is between 8-11psi
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^^ btw he has an 06
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like I said, 8-11 psi Pennzoil and 10-14 with RP.
Mine's an 06' also.
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